Just because I got an unfairly good deal doesn't mean others should.
I mean, fuck it - my ancestors were allowed slaves - why can't I have some?

Not everyone is fit for tertiary education - god knows I wasn't - and if you're going that far you should pay your way.

I don't see why I should have to pay for the elite to study - they should stand and fall on their own merit.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 15:46, 1 reply)

Ah - but
the cuts in funding - and the removal of the grant - have made it more likely that only the social elites can study...

I'm tempted to agree that people should be able to stand or fall academically on their own merit; would that everyone got that much of an opportunity.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 16:11, closed)

Yes but this isn't denying anyone anything.
It's just saying, "You want a uni education? You pay for it.".

To stop people whining about how they're working class and can't afford it, they're saying "OK - you can pay it back.".

It's very simple and not unfair at all. It's just the spoilt ones are getting uppity about not getting their own way.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 16:18, closed)

I
think it's more a question of how you want things to be funded. Some things like hospitals, the army, the police and primary and secondary education we fund through central taxation because we believe they're of benefit to all society whether each individual uses them or not. I happen to believe the same thing of tertiary education, you obviously don't.
(Hippo_of_Doom, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 18:42, closed)

Tertiary education will be no more or less available than it is now.
You pay for it after you have finished your degree and when you are earning over 21k and can afford it.

The difference between now and the future is that you will be paying more over a longer period of time. You will be paying it back with the money you will have earnt from the well paid job you will have got because of the degree you will have studied for.

Hopefully it will act as a deterrant to people, like me, who went to university for want of anything better to do, studied very little for a degree of no value (business studies 2:2) and now find myself teaching English in Spain and not paying back any of my student loan because I don't earn enough money.

It is equally available to everyone and everyone will have to pay it back. What I am worried about is that market forces will dictate that the cost of good, popular degrees will be more than for shitty joke degrees. Thus people will be tempted to study something crap like Business Studies because it is cheaper than say Medicine.
(Little Animal Disaster isn't finishing what he started, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 19:29, closed)