He's not wrong.It's not an excuse for rape. but he's not wrong. The way you treat people influences their emotions, and they might not get emotions that are congruent with your own intentions. On some level, deep down, people are somewhat automatic.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:59,
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The bottom line is this.If I meet a girl in a bar (or anywhere) and we have a few drinks and start chatting, and then things progress to moving a bit closer and kissing, if she was to say from the outset "I want to slide my hand into your trousers and play with your cock, and get you really aroused, right up to the point of orgasm. But I don't want sex with you". I would say "no thanks." Basically its a bit of reversal here, the woman is almost raping the man.
But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that just because he consents to allowing her to fondle his cock, that she should automatically have to accept that she must have sex with him.
I'd also like to point out that this is hypothetical, and that I would not be in this situation, as I'm happily married. Nor did I meet Mrs turb0t this way.
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turb0t, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 19:06,
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I still stand by the fact that "NO" means No!but you are saying that you are happy to let a women slide her hand into your trousers without asking you, and let her play with your cock right up to the point of full arousal, and then shortly before getting to the vinegar strokes, you are happy for her to stop and you both go back to your own respective beds.
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turb0t, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 19:00,
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