Whilst a proper tie allows people to learn how to tie one.
I really hate those massive knots some kids have in their ties. They just look horrible.
( Wildheart Baby. Drunken Mess In A Good Way, Sun 17 May 2009, 11:04, archived)

they are just copying the footballers
they fail at ties.
( MrA, Sun 17 May 2009, 11:46, archived)

all the girls did it at my school,
I don't think footballers were anything to do with it. I think it had more to do with annoying Mr Fraser.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 17 May 2009, 11:57, archived)