Wise man once say "If at first you don't succeed, redefine success"

( RR I love you ... in a way, Wed 10 Jun 2009, 13:02, archived)

Wise man also say
'if in 5 man team, leave best 'til last'

followed by

'holy fuck, you guys winned'
( GrandmaOfShoes, Wed 10 Jun 2009, 13:06, archived)

Quitters never win
and winners never quit.

However, if after a long time, you've neither won nor quit, maybe someone is trying to tell you something.

See also - before you try and beat the odds, be sure you can survive the odds beating you.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 10 Jun 2009, 13:09, archived)