Don't know unless you try
He was dire, but he had a go.
( jenpots, Fri 3 Jul 2009, 12:48, archived)

he's got more of my respect
but it's made me want to avoid him a bit more.
( GrandmaOfShoes, Fri 3 Jul 2009, 12:51, archived)

this is a good summary

( manolith hooray for me, Fri 3 Jul 2009, 13:02, archived)