You're assuming everyone lacks ambition or direction in life as you do.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. If a 16 year old expresses an interest, then they should be encouraged. This country needs it.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. If a 16 year old expresses an interest, then they should be encouraged. This country needs it.
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We are shaped by our society.
The 16 year old isn't the leader here.
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The 16 year old isn't the leader here.
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Why can't a 16 year old be a leader?
They might be intelligent, energetic and focussed with lots of fresh ideas.
I was running a newsagent for a day a week when I was 16 or 17 when the owner had a day off. Not saying that's particularly "being a leader" but I was competent and capable, even at that age.
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They might be intelligent, energetic and focussed with lots of fresh ideas.
I was running a newsagent for a day a week when I was 16 or 17 when the owner had a day off. Not saying that's particularly "being a leader" but I was competent and capable, even at that age.
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I'm not saying they can't,
I'm saying they're not, in this particular situation.
( , Wed 26 May 2010, 23:32, archived)
I'm saying they're not, in this particular situation.
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How can you be certain?
When does "society's influence" end and personal volition start? How do you know that no sixteen or seventeen year old can possibly have ambitions that were not imposed by society?
Looking at it another way: if a sixteen year old committed a crime, would that be their fault or society's fault? How about if the criminal was only eight? What if they were twenty-five?
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When does "society's influence" end and personal volition start? How do you know that no sixteen or seventeen year old can possibly have ambitions that were not imposed by society?
Looking at it another way: if a sixteen year old committed a crime, would that be their fault or society's fault? How about if the criminal was only eight? What if they were twenty-five?
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I'm not saying that.
I'm saying it is morally dubious to try to push people into it, or present it as a social ideal, on the television.
( , Wed 26 May 2010, 23:50, archived)
I'm saying it is morally dubious to try to push people into it, or present it as a social ideal, on the television.
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But that IS what you said
You said "We are shaped by our society. The 16 year old isn't the leader here." and that "I'm saying they're not [a leader], in this particular situation." That indicates to me that you believe society is telling the young person what to think and that they don't have personal autonomy at that age.
I'm not sure the producers of the programme are presenting it as a social ideal to be honest. They're presenting it as entertaining television.
( , Wed 26 May 2010, 23:58, archived)
You said "We are shaped by our society. The 16 year old isn't the leader here." and that "I'm saying they're not [a leader], in this particular situation." That indicates to me that you believe society is telling the young person what to think and that they don't have personal autonomy at that age.
I'm not sure the producers of the programme are presenting it as a social ideal to be honest. They're presenting it as entertaining television.
( , Wed 26 May 2010, 23:58, archived)
The situation, that I started this whole conversation with,
is that of "Junior Apprentice". A show which, I suspect, was not commissioned by teenagers.
The producers might not be purposefully presenting it as a social ideal, but they're still doing it. Really they're only uncritically echoing a general pre-existing sentiment.
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is that of "Junior Apprentice". A show which, I suspect, was not commissioned by teenagers.
The producers might not be purposefully presenting it as a social ideal, but they're still doing it. Really they're only uncritically echoing a general pre-existing sentiment.
( , Thu 27 May 2010, 0:03, archived)