And I'm saying that "empirically" is a severly limited method,
and that pure logic can establish truth - not absolute truth, mind you, because of Tarski's undefinability theorem, but if we allow ourselves to take the mathematical definition of "exists" Godel's Diagonal Lemma helps us a great deal.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 6 Oct 2011, 2:23, archived)

I don't have a fucking clue what half of that is.
But your logic is flawed.
( Aardvark and so at last, I understood, Thu 6 Oct 2011, 2:28, archived)

can pure logic establish truth or not?
or do we have to see something with the senses to know it? Because that puts a great deal of mathematics and theoretical physics in the dock.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 6 Oct 2011, 2:32, archived)