I was watching Eagle on the news earlier, banging on about how she's going to "save" Labour
and how she's her own woman blah blah.

Yeah, save it by denying the wider party the chance to vote for who they clearly want. It's "saving" Tony's Labour so they can keep their own jobs after committing what looks like political hari-kiri.

Edit: not the EPLP what the fuck am I gibbering about. Christ.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:46, archived)

Exactly.
Not a lot of people agree but I think it's better to have an opposition that may not stand much chance getting elected to one that's basically the same as the Tories. At least the former may exert some influence on the Overton window rather that coasting further rightwards.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:48, archived)

Since 97 the whole lot's been slowly drifting further and further right.
Regardless of whether Corbyn's electable (though I can't see how anybody would claim he isn't given the clear support he's got), without a strongly Left party, there's no anchor holding the 1% nutjobs at least somewhere close to the centre.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:51, archived)

Yeah, exactly. A choice between the Tories and the Torys with a sad voice isn't a choice at all.
I don't think it's conspired. But it is pretty close to 'manufactured democracy'.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:53, archived)

100,000 new registered voters in two weeks.
If they force Corbyn off the ballot, there'll be a fucking riot.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:56, archived)

Yeah, Labour's going to self destruct at the hands of people who appear who have joined the wrong party by mistake.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:58, archived)

I honestly wonder what the fuck they were thinking.
Did you see Blair's shock that the Labour party members wanted a socialist leader? I truly believe he'd convinced himself that his party was supported entirely by lipstick liberals.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:02, archived)

It amazes me how he's incapable of seeing how loathed he is.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:03, archived)

Chilcot lolz

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:07, archived)

Tony was the real victim of Iraq.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:08, archived)

"I accept that I acted in inaccurate information, but I'd have done it anyway because he was a prick and George wanted me to
"Why am I not getting any sympathy here?"
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:14, archived)

speaking to floating voters in the key constituency of Nuneaton, they would rather vote for actual Tories than Tory-lite Blairites
the problem is that Labour have lost the support of both the floaters who got them elected in '97 (or rather wanted a change after 18 years of Tory rule) AND their core supporters
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:04, archived)

That was Blair's fuck-up 'the working class will vote for us anyway, they've no option'.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:06, archived)

I can't seem to understand why people are not banging the "corbyn huge mandate from the electorate" gong.
People who signed up to labour to put him in charge, are not going to be pleased if he's pushed out. I'd the LD weren't so feckless they might have done well out of this.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:49, archived)

Because the newspapers are all owned by either Dave's college chums
Or American newspaper magnates who seem to have more in common with Dracula than your local binman notnaminganynamesbutI'msureyouknowwhoI'msubtlyhintingat.

His support is not being reported on. Instead they report on the self-delusional nobbers who claim he's losing public support.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:52, archived)

nothing makes me want to support JC more than the clear opposition to him from Murdoch and Dave et al

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:01, archived)