Afternoon

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:01, archived)

alright SSG
what are you up to?
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:02, archived)

Having a hot drink

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:02, archived)

a delicious bovril?

( manolith hooray for me, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:42, archived)

No

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:27, archived)

a mediocre bovril?

( manolith hooray for me, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:39, archived)

sup

( MONO!, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:05, archived)

Lou Bega knew he had a dodgy tummy when he went for Jobby Number Five.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:09, archived)

I ate too much pasta and had to do an Italian Job

( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:11, archived)

Hiya!

( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:10, archived)

Hello mate.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:14, archived)

Good lunchtime to you sir

( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:15, archived)

Alright

( mongychops, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:18, archived)

Looks like we have a new PM, kids.

( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:26, archived)

She's worryingly authoritarian and talks about 'extremists' in a way that'd give McCarthy a stiffy.
You can tell she's evil because she won the debate by sitting back and letting her opposition burst into flames.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:29, archived)

She's a battleaxe.
I predict a torrid affair between her and Trump.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:37, archived)

dear god.
Seriously though, she effectively wants to set up a surveillance state.

For some reason people seem to think it's benign if you gather the information with dragnet surveillance rather than the stasi. I'm not sure.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:39, archived)

If you think about Thatcher and Reagan for a moment,
you'll agree that it probably wouldn't be the first time that the "special" relationship included anal.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:40, archived)

It almost makes John Major not look a weirdo for fucking Edwina Curry.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:41, archived)

Say what you like about Major, but that took real courage.

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:41, archived)

Apparently the spitting image thing about him being a bore is really inaccurate.
He was supposedly really ruthless; used to set MI5 on people who were going to vote against the whips.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:42, archived)

I think we need a strong leader right now.
we have such a shit show coming up regarding Brexit and she was a remain supporter.

if Hillary gets in, it's a womans world.
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:21, archived)

alarmingly, gove might be pushed back into the race

( manolith hooray for me, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:32, archived)

He's like a villain that the hero should've killed when they had the chance, but really fucking incompetent.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:34, archived)

him and his cronies visited the building my friend work in the day before the referendum
he didn't even TRY to kill him, i'm very disappointed
( manolith hooray for me, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:36, archived)

I think you'd need to kill his wife as well, lest she find another gibbering fuckwit to boss into trying to run the country.
There was an interesting thing in an interview with Jon Snow. Apparently he was on Idi Amin's private jet as a young journalist and he seriously toyed with the idea of nicking his gun and shooting him.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:37, archived)

One stinker of a Times interview is enough to end your chances
Or maybe the money from America ran out when they realised she wasn't palatable in any way shape or form with the grassroots.
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:35, archived)

Well, I'm glad we have a woman as Prime Minister.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:36, archived)

Couldn't they have found one that was less of a despot?

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:37, archived)

After all, the current Tory party is jam packed with moderates.

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:39, archived)

I reckon it's going to get worse as some of the mentals return from ukip.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:40, archived)

I'm hoping that the Labour battle splits the party
and we get a three party system. Soz to the LDs but not you lol
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:42, archived)

It's amazing how the PLP are still claiming everyone else is at fault.
Blind refusal to entertain the idea that people have sussed out they're a bunch of self-interested wankers.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:44, archived)

I was watching Eagle on the news earlier, banging on about how she's going to "save" Labour
and how she's her own woman blah blah.

Yeah, save it by denying the wider party the chance to vote for who they clearly want. It's "saving" Tony's Labour so they can keep their own jobs after committing what looks like political hari-kiri.

Edit: not the EPLP what the fuck am I gibbering about. Christ.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:46, archived)

Exactly.
Not a lot of people agree but I think it's better to have an opposition that may not stand much chance getting elected to one that's basically the same as the Tories. At least the former may exert some influence on the Overton window rather that coasting further rightwards.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:48, archived)

Since 97 the whole lot's been slowly drifting further and further right.
Regardless of whether Corbyn's electable (though I can't see how anybody would claim he isn't given the clear support he's got), without a strongly Left party, there's no anchor holding the 1% nutjobs at least somewhere close to the centre.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:51, archived)

Yeah, exactly. A choice between the Tories and the Torys with a sad voice isn't a choice at all.
I don't think it's conspired. But it is pretty close to 'manufactured democracy'.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:53, archived)

100,000 new registered voters in two weeks.
If they force Corbyn off the ballot, there'll be a fucking riot.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:56, archived)

Yeah, Labour's going to self destruct at the hands of people who appear who have joined the wrong party by mistake.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:58, archived)

I honestly wonder what the fuck they were thinking.
Did you see Blair's shock that the Labour party members wanted a socialist leader? I truly believe he'd convinced himself that his party was supported entirely by lipstick liberals.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:02, archived)

It amazes me how he's incapable of seeing how loathed he is.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:03, archived)

Chilcot lolz

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:07, archived)

Tony was the real victim of Iraq.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:08, archived)

"I accept that I acted in inaccurate information, but I'd have done it anyway because he was a prick and George wanted me to
"Why am I not getting any sympathy here?"
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:14, archived)

speaking to floating voters in the key constituency of Nuneaton, they would rather vote for actual Tories than Tory-lite Blairites
the problem is that Labour have lost the support of both the floaters who got them elected in '97 (or rather wanted a change after 18 years of Tory rule) AND their core supporters
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:04, archived)

That was Blair's fuck-up 'the working class will vote for us anyway, they've no option'.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:06, archived)

I can't seem to understand why people are not banging the "corbyn huge mandate from the electorate" gong.
People who signed up to labour to put him in charge, are not going to be pleased if he's pushed out. I'd the LD weren't so feckless they might have done well out of this.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:49, archived)

Because the newspapers are all owned by either Dave's college chums
Or American newspaper magnates who seem to have more in common with Dracula than your local binman notnaminganynamesbutI'msureyouknowwhoI'msubtlyhintingat.

His support is not being reported on. Instead they report on the self-delusional nobbers who claim he's losing public support.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:52, archived)

nothing makes me want to support JC more than the clear opposition to him from Murdoch and Dave et al

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:01, archived)

On the other hand JC's most zealot fans
Don't realise that their heartland deserted them for the EU referendum.

They can bang on Facebook and Twitter trying to slap down any dissenters calling them Blairites, but you try that shit on the doorstop they'll get a face full of fuck you.
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:50, archived)

The news largely ignored the fact he was out on foot in northern shitholes telling people to vote remain.
Also last time Labour sided with the Tories in a referendum they lost all their Scottish seats.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:52, archived)

Yes, it is all the medias fault
Or maybe that JC's press team are just frankly shite at delivering whatever the fucking message is they are promoting?

Or am I supposed to learn everything the wise man is promoting from Facebook zealot posts?
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:56, archived)

The media were focused on the tories tearing themselves apart.
I doubt Corbyn would've got a look in if he stripped naked and did the willycopter with remain daubed on his chest.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:57, archived)

He has released a Brexit manifesto.
However, true to form, the media hasn't reported on it.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:58, archived)

And if the only people you can resonate with in the media is The Canary
You are fucked.
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:01, archived)

When the "free" press only presents one viewpoint
then we're all fucked.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:03, archived)

It's quite depressing watching the BBC meekly report pro-tory stuff as the charter is up for renewal and their existence depends on it.
Funny that the Tories looked into privatising Ch4 when it reported stuff it didn't like isn't it?
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:04, archived)

One thing's for sure, that's going to get *tons* better under Supreme Leader May.

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:10, archived)

indeed.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:12, archived)

When your press team are fighting more fires because the head of the party can't unify his MP's
The the message is muddied. Multiple spurts of news. No concise message. No reconciliation story.

What do you expect? Every strand to be reported? Give the fuck over.
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:10, archived)

I expect a neutral press.
But it's been so long since we've had one, if we ever did, that people have forgotten what it is supposed to look like.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:21, archived)

I might just start reading the Morning Star.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:22, archived)

This has got even worse in the age of social media
Each person is in their own echo chamber, only hearing what they want to hear. The news bias now works in two direction, first from the sources to consume, and now from what we decide to filter out or promote ourselves.

Everyone thinks everything is biased and will throw that term out for even a small whiff of something that doesn't align to 80% of their views. And what cuts through all this? Clear concise messages. Sadly there is only 1 party that can do that currently.
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:33, archived)

One of the things I dislike about the internet
is its ability to give voice to those people whose opinions have no business being aired publicly.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:36, archived)

So you avoid it
Avoid, avoid, avoid. Then that opinion rears its head in polite public, we all wring our hands saying "What should we do" and then it goes away. Repeat ad nauseam. It never goes away, people just ignore it. Echo chambers.
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:42, archived)

I don't necessarily think you're wrong.

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:46, archived)

I've only read this thread because it restates my feelings on the attempted Labour coup, and the media bias on display during the Brexit campaign.

( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:42, archived)

to be fair
people who like butterscotch angel delight really are paedophiles
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:43, archived)

My nan used to use that to make 'lurking pud'.
Which involved some fruit 'lurking' under the topping.

It was invariably kiwi.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:47, archived)

dude
your nan was fucked UP
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 14:01, archived)

No, I'm talking about the ones that include wild accusations without any basis in reality.

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:47, archived)

60 odd percent of registered Labour voters voted to Remain, as a matter of fact.

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:55, archived)

Yeah I saw some analysis suggest that it was mostly middle-class Tories that are responsible for this mess.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:56, archived)

40% didn't give a fuck
Possibly as they don't know what Labour is anymore. Bet the Lib Dem and Greens rallied their votes accordingly.
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:58, archived)

I would imagine those were the people trapped in places like Blaenau Gwent
who were looking for something or someone to blame.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:00, archived)

Don't get me wrong, there were plenty of solid reasons for a leftie to vote leave.
Just the whole thing got completely co-opted by the right.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:01, archived)

Most of the leftie arguments I heard relied on blind faith on a very improbably sequence of events.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:02, archived)

The EU really isn't terribly democratic.
But everybody ignored a real debate in favour of cheap immigration shots, letting it get hijacked. The whole thing was a stupid stunt by Cameron to try and shut up the righter wingers in his own party. The referendum was a farce.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:05, archived)

The thing about representitive democracy is that it requires you to elect people to represent you.
That seems to be one of the big problems with Britain's relationship with the EU. Most of the time it gets ignored completely apart from the times it is seen as being a meddling foreign entity.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:08, archived)

My problem with it comes more from the relentless drive to federate.
I'm all for free movement of people, free trade etc but I don't believe a monolithic superstate is in our best interests. We're a minority viewpoint in Europe meaning that any wish of ours for reform will be, and has been, slapped down.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:13, archived)

The problem is a lot of the bits people are critical of the EU for our own government are massively for anyway.
Take TTIP for example - France are standing up to it, whereas Cameron was blindly pushing for it because 'this is the deal that we want'.

Ironically, because of various states refusing to entertain it in it's current form, the EU might reject it and we end up getting the same deal with Europe tippexed out.

Given FPTP and 5 year terms it keeps some things on track - like environmental stuff which our own governments would ignore as they ram through changes they hope the opposition wouldn't appeal. I think we should have a better system that promotes coalitions, with more frequent elections so you can kick out people easier.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:18, archived)

Which I would support.
Unfortunately only the UK, and maybe the Dutch, seem to dislike the current situation.

Sorry, I misread your last paragraph. I thought you were talking about a new system in Europe.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:22, archived)

It's great that they're now begging for someone to make-up the EU funding. Stupid cunts.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:01, archived)

Who researches what the EU does AFTER a referendum?
Unbelievable.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:06, archived)

To be fair. Boris came down to Cornwall and promised we would get the same funding
Cornwall voted leave and said afterwards "Well Boris, you are going to do as you promised right?" and he said "ummmmm, well, what we actually meant was ummmmm"
( Peej, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 14:17, archived)

But if only they read posts from Another Angry Voice
They would have changed their minds.... right?
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:03, archived)

I refuse to read a single word of his until he sorts out his appalling design issues

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:06, archived)

Thought it was a sane voice
Then it has gone all "everyone against JC is THE WORST"
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:12, archived)

Dunno, no idea what that is.

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:07, archived)

you'd hate him

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:13, archived)

Not a huge logical leap.
I hate everyone.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:15, archived)

your nan?

( manolith hooray for me, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:42, archived)

Natch

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:49, archived)

You're letting this forum turn to shit, just saying

( mongychops, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:13, archived)

how so?

( manolith hooray for me, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 14:01, archived)

immigration

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 14:06, archived)

We need a tougher mod in charge , this liberal moderation has failed

( mongychops, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 14:08, archived)

he's failing to address the legitimate concerns of /talkers

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 14:09, archived)

Have you seen this thread?

( mongychops, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 14:06, archived)

s'ok there's a food thread now

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 14:14, archived)

this place is turning to fucking shit, worse than 4chan

( mongychops, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 14:18, archived)

yeah but the alternative is that i get to decide what is and isn't ok to talk about
which doesn't seem better
( manolith hooray for me, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 14:24, archived)

More like sexpot eh lads

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:49, archived)

<s>de </s> tos

( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:58, archived)

I am too.
She will clean up this mess.
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:21, archived)