I would imagine those were the people trapped in places like Blaenau Gwent
who were looking for something or someone to blame.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:00, archived)

Don't get me wrong, there were plenty of solid reasons for a leftie to vote leave.
Just the whole thing got completely co-opted by the right.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:01, archived)

Most of the leftie arguments I heard relied on blind faith on a very improbably sequence of events.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:02, archived)

The EU really isn't terribly democratic.
But everybody ignored a real debate in favour of cheap immigration shots, letting it get hijacked. The whole thing was a stupid stunt by Cameron to try and shut up the righter wingers in his own party. The referendum was a farce.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:05, archived)

The thing about representitive democracy is that it requires you to elect people to represent you.
That seems to be one of the big problems with Britain's relationship with the EU. Most of the time it gets ignored completely apart from the times it is seen as being a meddling foreign entity.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:08, archived)

My problem with it comes more from the relentless drive to federate.
I'm all for free movement of people, free trade etc but I don't believe a monolithic superstate is in our best interests. We're a minority viewpoint in Europe meaning that any wish of ours for reform will be, and has been, slapped down.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:13, archived)

The problem is a lot of the bits people are critical of the EU for our own government are massively for anyway.
Take TTIP for example - France are standing up to it, whereas Cameron was blindly pushing for it because 'this is the deal that we want'.

Ironically, because of various states refusing to entertain it in it's current form, the EU might reject it and we end up getting the same deal with Europe tippexed out.

Given FPTP and 5 year terms it keeps some things on track - like environmental stuff which our own governments would ignore as they ram through changes they hope the opposition wouldn't appeal. I think we should have a better system that promotes coalitions, with more frequent elections so you can kick out people easier.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:18, archived)

Which I would support.
Unfortunately only the UK, and maybe the Dutch, seem to dislike the current situation.

Sorry, I misread your last paragraph. I thought you were talking about a new system in Europe.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:22, archived)

It's great that they're now begging for someone to make-up the EU funding. Stupid cunts.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:01, archived)

Who researches what the EU does AFTER a referendum?
Unbelievable.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:06, archived)

To be fair. Boris came down to Cornwall and promised we would get the same funding
Cornwall voted leave and said afterwards "Well Boris, you are going to do as you promised right?" and he said "ummmmm, well, what we actually meant was ummmmm"
( Peej, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 14:17, archived)

But if only they read posts from Another Angry Voice
They would have changed their minds.... right?
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:03, archived)

I refuse to read a single word of his until he sorts out his appalling design issues

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:06, archived)

Thought it was a sane voice
Then it has gone all "everyone against JC is THE WORST"
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:12, archived)

Dunno, no idea what that is.

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:07, archived)

you'd hate him

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:13, archived)

Not a huge logical leap.
I hate everyone.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:15, archived)