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Rage Against the Machine for Christmas Number one
So, I'm guessing most of you know about this but I just wanted to make sure.

As X Factor finished last night ready to create the Christmas number one there is a counter movement to get Rage Against the Machine's Killing In The Name as Christmas number one.
The band are giving all profits to Shelter.

Now this is the important bit. For your purchase to count you need to buy it from somewhere selling it for over 40p.

Come on guys, we need to keep the insipid arse water that is X Factor off the number one spot by a song with the chorus of 'Fuck you I won't do what you tell me'.

At the time of writing it has just slipped to number two in the iTunes chart.

Go one, you know you want to.

*edit* So it seems a B3TARD started it. Sorry for telling you what you all already know, I'll go back to Off Topic.

*edit* No the irony is not lost on me of buying another song I'm being told to buy.
(I helped save b3ta! Mrs Entity is in hiding., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 19:58, archived)
No.

(I helped save b3ta! JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:00, archived)
but ive spent all my money on hideously overpriced but incredibly cool christmas presents for my friends and family :(

(I helped save b3ta! rosalicious i fucking love youve been framed, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:00, archived)
no i don't think so

(I helped save b3ta! well, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:01, archived)
Hi!
Rage Against the Machine is Shit, cause Zach DeLaRocha is fake as fuck.

I do know this for a fact.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:01, archived)
I'm pretty sure if you go up to him and tell him that
he'll punch you just like an actual person. Not fake at all.
(I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:02, archived)
I doubt he would
But hey, he could try...
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:05, archived)
INTERNET HARD MAN RIGHT HERE

(I helped save b3ta! Dave Trouser ; the people's choice - 75% agree, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:54, archived)
fuck off noob

(GoldenFanjita whistle posse blow! horns crew i can't hear you!, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:03, archived)
It's true
Noob. He grew up in Irvine. His parents are both Lawyers. They suck ass. You suck balls :P
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:05, archived)
and what do you allege that he claims?

(GoldenFanjita whistle posse blow! horns crew i can't hear you!, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:19, archived)
I don't allege anything
I have a problem with someone growing up in an extremely affluent area trying to be down with the common man. Talking about being oppressed when you are rich is hypocritical. That's not to say I wouldn't agree that he or they (the band) should try to help the working class.

But don't try to identify with me. Don't be down with the common man when you have never known what the fuck it's like. Don't tell me that you feel like I fucking feel, and that you "know my struggle". Help me, don't parade it to make money. Which is ultimately what they did.

SO yeah, I have a problem with them.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:36, archived)
yeah, and fuck off to Bon Jovi
you're not a fucking cowboy, you ain't foolin' nobody
(I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:38, archived)
Yeah, and Bruce Dickenson, you twat
Neither you nor any other member of Iron Maiden have been Tailgunners. Or Troopers, for that matter. You lying cunts.
(I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:41, archived)
Bruce Dickenson's the one from Little Angels, isn't he?

edit: No, they're BOTH Dickinsons.
(I helped save b3ta! Druid, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:44, archived)
I only really care about Nicko McBrain

(I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:45, archived)
He's opening a rib restaurant in the USA
with a really badly spelled menu.
(I helped save b3ta! Druid, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:51, archived)
i'm not sure
any of abba's members trained to be super troopers
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:57, archived)
So basically, you're a snob?

(I helped save b3ta! Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:39, archived)
A poor one, yes.
:D I have problems with anyone trying to identify like that.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:43, archived)
I suppose all AIDS charity workers ought to contract HIV
before they're allowed to dish out any pathos.
(I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:45, archived)
You are completely missing my point
and therefore are just being an argumentative cunt.

I am not saying that they shouldn't help. I am saying it's hypocritical to say "We're poor"

They're not poor. Never have been.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:55, archived)
I can't think of a song where they've claimed to be poor.

(I helped save b3ta! JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:57, archived)
Why does Wikipedia disagree with you?
Apparently his father was an artist and his mother an anthropologist and they were separated from each other. Not lawyers. Not super-affluent.

He also apparently suffered racism due to his Mexican heritage.

Sounds really privileged.
(I helped save b3ta! in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:01, archived)
Okay
If you say so.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:02, archived)
I don't say so
I have no idea about the man. But I can read Wikipedia as well as the next person.

You seem to know all about him though. Just wondering what your source was.
(I helped save b3ta! in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:04, archived)
what if the next person is Stevie Wonder?

(I helped save b3ta! Derek Monte subthread killer: qu'est-ce que c'est, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:12, archived)
I bet Stevie Wonder has a personal butler
whose only task is to read out Wikipedia entries to him.
(I helped save b3ta! in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:30, archived)
Oh soz
Knew him. Met him.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:13, archived)
You could have said
"I don't like RATM. I don't enjoy that sort of music and I met Zack de la Rocha and thought he was a twat" and everything would have been fine.

But you started making baseless accusations and prejudiced statements based on inverted snobbery about his perceived wealth and privilege. Then you got snotty when people challenged your prejudices.
(I helped save b3ta! in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:41, archived)
The Steve Miller Band aren't even space cowboys. I'm fucking outraged.

(I helped save b3ta! JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:42, archived)
Doesn't matter
you are all going to belittle me for my opinion. I made a concise argument, and only I know.. so, whatever.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:45, archived)
Yes, yes. We are THE MAN that is keeping you down. You stupid fucking prick.
You can't even see how much of a stupid fucking prick you are, can you?
(I helped save b3ta! JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:46, archived)
no I am not, you little bastard
I have my opinion. That is all. Cock off.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:52, archived)
your opinion was badly explained
your argument was wide open to criticism, since you haven't bothered to eplain further or provide prrof or examples of wha tyou are suggesting then there is no point trying to find a horse high enough

btw: i should know i get myself into this kind of trouble quite often enough
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:59, archived)
It was
wasn't it? Eloquence is not my strong suit. And I do not really have the evidence, save for knowing people who knew him, to back my claims up.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:04, archived)
b3ta will never just take your word for it

(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:07, archived)
Yeah, I know
But I am arguing on the internet!

Look at me!!!

WHee!!!! This place is stupid and I curse the day they ever made /talk
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:16, archived)
You're a massive prick of less merit than Sexface.

(I helped save b3ta! Amorous Badger NAKED BEA ARTHUR PHOTOS 4U, Tue 15 Dec 2009, 8:07, archived)
so having parents as laawyers genetically impairs you from making rock music?

(I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:21, archived)
No...
It impairs you from talking about what it's like. He would never have known what being poor or oppressed means. Not in Irvine.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:37, archived)
Why do affluent people have less empathy than poor people?
No one can know exactly what it's like for anyone else. Being affluent doesn't stop you being human or having difficulties that can help you relate to someone else.

Or is he only allowed to sing songs about dinner parties and house prices?
(I helped save b3ta! in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:42, archived)
Fuck You, I Won't Restructure My Finances

(I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:43, archived)
Killing in the name of a sensible pension plan and a college fund for the children

(I helped save b3ta! in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:45, archived)
Here's where I get to really ask
What do you know of being poor? This isn't derogatory, or an insult. I really want to know.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:46, archived)
The man lives in Poland, for fuck's sake.

(I helped save b3ta! JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:47, archived)
Oooh, ooh, ask me! Ask me!!

(I helped save b3ta! Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:50, archived)
No
I know you have been :(
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:53, archived)
Are you asking me personally
or asking RATM as some sort of open question? Because my tale of poverty is so fucking harrowing it would make you weep, you petty little child.
(I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:53, archived)
So tell me then
I was asking you, you insulent prick. It's not a rude question. It's a question. Have you ever been poor? I don't fucking know you, so I don't know.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:57, archived)
So Im telling you I have
and yet it's neither relative nor crucial to this debate. That's like arguing white people can't support black rights movements, or the Western sympathy for Tibet is a joke because we've never been oppressed. Musicians making apt art that is able to speak directly to someone's emotions and justly represent the plight or pain of an individual or group is no less diminished if the artist hasn't personally experienced it. You're just being a sanctimonious prick who likes diminishing other people's achievements.

Let me ask YOU a question. Have you ever produced a music album? Have you ever slaved your guts out with a team of like-minded musicians day and night, going without sleep, trying to nail the perfect mix that encapsulates perfectly the raw emotion you feel? No, you haven't, because you're a lazy cretin who'd rather point the finger at the easy target than actually do something worthwhile. Now go and play, you ridiculous little maggot.
(I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:02, archived)
I knew this was worth waiting for.

(I helped save b3ta! JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:05, archived)
ooooooooooo
I am so scared... really, what are you going to do?

No, I have not stayed up for days making an album. I do not want to diminish other peoples' achievements.

I have absolutely no problem with them as musicians. TO be in fact, I own some of their albums and find the music quite good. But how can you rightly, as a person, say that you understand me, when you don't? WHen you couldn't because you have never REALLY lived it.

Here's an example. I have a friend that considers himself worldly because he traveled to Asia. He grew up very affluent and wants to talk about nothing but how he's so fucking awesome and in touch with the indigent peoples of wherever the fuck. He's a genuine traveler, right?

So I asked him, did he once eat with them, or spend weeks living as they did? No. He was a tourist, passing through. That's their lives. I submit that Mister Zach is a fucking tourist. ANd I happen to know I'm right.

So lick it up, faggot. I can bitch slap on the internet as well.

Ooooooooo..... scary you....
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:11, archived)
This is literally the best thing I've ever seen.
Note for anyone looking through THE LIST: Scoopzilla is a massive prick.
(I helped save b3ta! JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:13, archived)
wow
you right clicked this all by yourself?
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:18, archived)
I bet he's now going to accuse Grrmachine of trolling.

(I helped save b3ta! The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:18, archived)
There'll be clique accusations in less than 10 posts.

(I helped save b3ta! JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:19, archived)
nah
cause I don't care
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:20, archived)
Clearly.

(I helped save b3ta! JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:22, archived)
No I mean
all you lot do is push your own agenda and jump down the throats of anyone who disagrees; all while calling them cunts.

SO.. whatever. You're internet awesome and I am clearly a nitwit. Whatever. You go with that.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:27, archived)
CLIQUE ACCUSATIONS!

(I helped save b3ta! JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:30, archived)
Even the self-important idiots are stale and completely predictable :(

(I helped save b3ta! The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:22, archived)
You're not my real dad you can't tell me what to do
*runs upstairs*
(I helped save b3ta! Derek Monte subthread killer: qu'est-ce que c'est, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:18, archived)
*slams bedroom door*

(I helped save b3ta! Derek Monte subthread killer: qu'est-ce que c'est, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:19, archived)
YOU'LL EAT YOUR GODDAMNED PEAS IF I HAVE TO MAKE YOU SIT THERE ALL NIGHT!
so frustrating...
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:30, archived)
So what you've done is transposed an entirely different story in place of an argument
that's not a bitchslap. That's you failing Rhetoric 101. That's you showing you're not mature enough to follow a coherent train of thought or intelligent enough to reply with a relevant answer.

But character assassinations aside, your argument suggests that Shakespeare is worthless because he was never a Danish Prince who had his father killed by his uncle. It's a music album. It's the voice of an artist. If he feels a link with a group, and is able to express the voice of that group in such a way that that group appreciates it, then surely he's even greater than the average poor person for being able to attune himself to their feelings.

So fuck off for six years, grow up, then come back when you've either got a decent argument or some decent insults, you teenager.
(I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:18, archived)
and again
it's about my age. I am willing to guess you're young.

But again, really... what are you going to do? c'mon...
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:19, archived)
This isn't about threats, is it
this is just about showing you up for the clumsy-headed prejudiced fool that you are. You'd better throw your Decemberist CDs away, they were never chimbley sweeps and I bet you hate them talking to you as they identify with the plight of the Victorian street urchin, the fucking fakers.
(I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:30, archived)
Then I should
you filthy nonce.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:38, archived)
and fairytale of new york might have beensung by people
who looked like they were dirnking too much and....oh
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:47, archived)
so that mate of mine who is teachin and travelling
in asia and has never gone on about the plight of the people a sif he may bleed their blood for them is in fact quite sensible for neve rhaving bothered to mention to me how people live when he's seen it for quite some every fucking day of the week

btw just because you have rich parents you don't automatically become a snobby little fucker who's only pleasure in life is money
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:20, archived)
You're not here
so how can you know? Come visit, and if you don't believe me you will before you leave.

And I applaud your mate. This isn't the same thing.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:25, archived)
so...everyone can have different experiences despite their background
and place in the world, relating to things differently. possibly becuase of this or in spite of it
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:30, archived)
Well, I must be wrong
the internet says so.

Whatever.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:44, archived)
broader perspective other than
just your own
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 22:01, archived)
now that I disagree with
in at least one sense.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 22:03, archived)
*LOUD APPLAUSE*

(I helped save b3ta! The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:17, archived)
where is irvine?

(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:47, archived)
In a state made of solid gold, from the sounds of it.

(I helped save b3ta! JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:48, archived)
where you just can't be poor, its just not possible
i'm sure thats the where they've been bottling the american dream isn't it?
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:51, archived)
Don't knock it
until you know for sure. That's not wrong actually. You couldn't be poor and live in Irvine. I am not exaggerating.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:54, archived)
irvine in california?

(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:04, archived)
Yeppers :D
That'd be the one.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:05, archived)
Yes you can. You can be poor anywhere.
Don't be silly.

www.city-data.com/poverty/poverty-Irvine-California.html
(I helped save b3ta! in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:06, archived)
SO come on down and check it out
I am not lying.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:15, archived)
America is one of the most affluent countries in the world
Therefore no one there is poor.

It's a rubbish argument, isn't it?
(I helped save b3ta! in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:27, archived)
No, actually
we're the richest country in the world. No one SHOULD BE poor, but there are...
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 23:10, archived)
According to the Proclaimers somewhere near Leith

(I helped save b3ta! Derek Monte subthread killer: qu'est-ce que c'est, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:23, archived)
How do you know he's fake?
Can you see the little plastic cap that you blow in to inflate him?
(I helped save b3ta! Edd: The Unfunny Try-Hard Edgelord, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:36, archived)
That's nice but we already know
it's everyfuckingwhere on facebook and a b3tan started the group in the first place I think
(I helped save b3ta! moohalaa, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:01, archived)
Oh who gives a fuck
really, really, who gives a fuck. A naughty band with a naughty word in their song, oooh, might sell more records than some limpwristed fuckweasels I've never heard of. Blithering shit, it's not even worth the energy of telling you you're a stupid fucking cunt. But fuck it, I'm feeling seasonably generous. Fuck off, you stupid fucking cunt.
(I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:02, archived)
It was started by moogyboobles

(I helped save b3ta! mns 2️⃣2️⃣9️⃣0️⃣7️⃣, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:03, archived)
No ta, I couldn't give a flying one who is where in the chart
I buy the music I like when I like.
(I helped save b3ta! Fluzzy namby-pamby pudding and pie, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:03, archived)
You know who publishes RATM though?
Sony
You know who works for Sony?
Simon Cowell.
(I helped save b3ta! SuperMatt, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:04, archived)
You need your cape
right about now.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:06, archived)
I never take it off

(I helped save b3ta! SuperMatt, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:07, archived)
Do you at least lift it
when you visit the loo?
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:08, archived)
RATM are published by Epic which is now a subsidiary of Sony.
It's hardly likely to end up lining Cowell's pockets if 1 track sells enough to make Christmas #1
(I helped save b3ta! mns 2️⃣2️⃣9️⃣0️⃣7️⃣, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:09, archived)
Probably not, but it undermines the principle of the thing.

(I helped save b3ta! SuperMatt, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:11, archived)
It doesn't really, if the principle is that we won't buy a specific track because Simon Cowell tells us to.
We'll buy a different track because someone else tells us to. I'm not really sure what we're supposed to be proving any more :(
(I helped save b3ta! Druid, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:14, archived)
That more people are easily led by the internet than ITV?
That thought gives me some hope.
(I helped save b3ta! Noit happy baby orangutan, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:17, archived)
More importantly, who still buys music?

(Afzal., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:26, archived)
I wonder if buying second-hand CDs will be illegal in the future?

(I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:27, archived)
I'd rather follow orders from MoogyBoobles than Simon Cowell though.

(I helped save b3ta! Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:38, archived)
Simon Cowell will be LOVING it though.
I know I'm being cynical, but he'll STILL be number one, and loads more nans will be buying his record to stop the naughty sweary band win.
He's laughing all the way to the bank, and who fucking cares about the chart anyway? It always has and always will be mainly full of shit music that nans and 14 year olds buy.
(I helped save b3ta! Druid, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:42, archived)
Quite so
She and I have very similar views on many topics.
(I helped save b3ta! in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:43, archived)
You know I want to.
And yet, with equal certainty I know I don't want to. Which one of us is right?
(I helped save b3ta! The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:05, archived)
Only one way to find out

(I helped save b3ta! magnum, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:08, archived)
Well, no.
While I can see what people are doing, there's no way it'll work. Also, most people don't care about the charts any more. This is proving nothing.
(I helped save b3ta! WHARRGARBL, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:07, archived)
Am I reading this right, but it's not even in the top 10 as far as I can see?
www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10songs.html


1. The Climb
Joe McElderry
The Climb
2. Bad Romance
Lady GaGa
3. You Know Me
Robbie Williams
4. Russian Roulette
Rihanna
5. 3 Words (feat. will.i.am)
Cheryl Cole
6. Meet Me Halfway
Black Eyed Peas
7. TiK ToK
Ke$ha
8. Let the Bass Kick In Miami Girl (Radio Edit)
Chuckie & LMFAO
9. Don't Stop Believin'
Journey
10. Doesn't Mean Anything
Alicia Keys


(I helped save b3ta! Druid, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:08, archived)
according to the chart on the iTunes Music Store within iTunes itself, it is second

(I helped save b3ta! mns 2️⃣2️⃣9️⃣0️⃣7️⃣, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:17, archived)
But that'll just be downloads.

(I helped save b3ta! LimeyTreat Bitch. Lover. Child. Mother. Sinner. Saint., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:20, archived)
iTunes Store will be just downloads

(I helped save b3ta! magnum, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:24, archived)
Your face is just downloads.

(I helped save b3ta! Druid, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:45, archived)
If you look at it live on the iTunes store
then it it as number 2
(I helped save b3ta! Mrs Entity is in hiding., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:17, archived)
Yeah, we know. A b3tan and her husband started the campaign.

(I helped save b3ta! Esme Weatherwax I swear on my tash it's daycent hash, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:08, archived)
I think most people have bought it from Amazon as it was only 29p
I'm guessing that doesn't count in the charts then?
(I helped save b3ta! magnum, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:11, archived)
Ignore that
Posted on 14 Dec 2009 16:07 GMT
Last edited by the author 4 hours ago
Amazon.co.uk Music Team says:
We can confirm that sales of MP3s from Amazon.co.uk, including "The Climb" by Joe McElderry and "Killing in the Name" by Rage Against The Machine, count towards the Official UK Charts.

www.amazon.co.uk/tag/mp3/forum/ref=cm_cd_t_rt_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx28IXQIV6LBRU4&cdThread=Tx3U7MN4WDHUQUA
(I helped save b3ta! magnum, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:16, archived)
Hurrah
Well found.
(I helped save b3ta! Mrs Entity is in hiding., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:20, archived)
Does it count that i got it from Amazon about a month ago, or will they not count sales before a certain date?

(Usernameless Wooh, scary. Not really., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:22, archived)
*Picard head in hands*
seeing as how the charts are compiled on a weekly basis,
i'm going to have to go with, "I FUCKING DOUBT IT"
(I helped save b3ta! mns 2️⃣2️⃣9️⃣0️⃣7️⃣, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:23, archived)
Ah.
Oops, maybe not then
(Usernameless Wooh, scary. Not really., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:25, archived)
milknosugar, pointing out the obvious and defeating ignorance one idiot at a time.

(I helped save b3ta! The Doveston haunted by the memory of his own amnesia, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:30, archived)
hmm.
yes.. i am an idiot..
(Usernameless Wooh, scary. Not really., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:32, archived)
yeah,
go stick a fork in a plug socket.
(I helped save b3ta! The Doveston haunted by the memory of his own amnesia, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:37, archived)
But that's dangerous..

(Usernameless Wooh, scary. Not really., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:39, archived)
am i the only person wondering
why rage against the machine?

edit: he never told me to but anything and if he did nothing will compell me to obey simply for the success of a tv talent contest winner

or maybe it's the line in the thread starter : "come on guys, we need to...."
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:26, archived)
"fuck you [simon cowell,] i won't do what you tell me"

(GoldenFanjita whistle posse blow! horns crew i can't hear you!, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:27, archived)
Should have been Dawn Penn No No No, You Don't Love Me and I Know Now

(I helped save b3ta! magnum, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:29, archived)
because it contains the line "fuck you, i won't do what you tell me"
as in fuck you simon cowell, i won't do what you tell me i.e. go and buy the single released by the winner of x factor.

the irony that a group of people are telling each other to buy another song is indeed lost somwhere
(I helped save b3ta! mns 2️⃣2️⃣9️⃣0️⃣7️⃣, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:28, archived)
you just keep on winning,
bash that ignorance good.
(I helped save b3ta! The Doveston haunted by the memory of his own amnesia, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:31, archived)
just doing my job ma'am
*tips cap*
(I helped save b3ta! mns 2️⃣2️⃣9️⃣0️⃣7️⃣, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:35, archived)
Yes but Moogy is lovely and ace and that.

(I helped save b3ta! Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:40, archived)
*wakes up*
what's that? a gramophone record with swearing on it?

*goes back to sleep*
(I helped save b3ta! TBL I posted this on, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:31, archived)
alright mrsliveinabin

(I helped save b3ta! broadsword now that's fresh, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:37, archived)
Really? Do we really need to?
Does it matter, really, at all?
I mean, the profits going to Shelter is a good thing, but is it really a great travesty that the popular music charts is topped by music which is popular?
(I helped save b3ta! Comma, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:42, archived)
But if 1,000,000 people buy the X Factor winners song
and another 1,000,000 people buy the RATM song, even then counting up every other single song sale, mp3 download in that week,
I'll wager that there are still tens of millions of people who don't buy any of them.

This then proves that apathy and disinterest is more popular than either of the main contenders, doesn't it?
(I helped save b3ta! mns 2️⃣2️⃣9️⃣0️⃣7️⃣, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:47, archived)
The one thing about this whole campaign which I agree with (assuming it's part of what we're trying to do)
is to point out that there are hundreds of bands doing better music who aren't plastered on prime time TV to purely make money, and because of this never have a chance to be popular and give us all the pleasure of hearing their music. The whole program is designed to make money, it's not about music although it's billed as such.
(I helped save b3ta! Druid, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:49, archived)
Everybody knows that, though.
Even the people who enjoy X Factor-type music either know that there is music that is 'better' (somehow more culturally worthy), or they are dim enough not to be able to appreciate the better music. I can't imagine that there is anyone who doesn't recognise that the purpose of X Factor type music is to make money. I don't know why their realisation of that is a concern, either. Making money is a very good thing to do, even if it isn't culturally worthy.
(I helped save b3ta! Comma, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:07, archived)
This goes against everything I stand for.
But I like it.
I'm in.
(I helped save b3ta! baldmonkey a frothy foul-smelling vaginal discharge, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:43, archived)
FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME

(I helped save b3ta! mcdoof fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:55, archived)
Rage against the machine is a pile of shit
because they are not and never can be Status Quo.
(I helped save b3ta! the RAND corporation a.k.a. Kevin Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Tue 15 Dec 2009, 0:01, archived)