they are labelledPromoted by William Norton on behalf of No Campaign Ltd... more as I look
Here we go:
blogs.wsj.com/iainmartin/2010/11/26/labour-and-tory-establishments-get-behind-no-to-av-campaign/
The President of NO to AV campaign will be Margaret Beckett MP. The Labour patrons are David Blunkett MP, Lord Falconer, Lord Prescott, Lord Reid and Emily Thornberry.
The Conservative patrons are Ken Clarke MP, William Hague MP, Steve Norris and Tory chairman Baroness Warsi.
(Here we go:
blogs.wsj.com/iainmartin/2010/11/26/labour-and-tory-establishments-get-behind-no-to-av-campaign/
The President of NO to AV campaign will be Margaret Beckett MP. The Labour patrons are David Blunkett MP, Lord Falconer, Lord Prescott, Lord Reid and Emily Thornberry.
The Conservative patrons are Ken Clarke MP, William Hague MP, Steve Norris and Tory chairman Baroness Warsi.
HappyToast Groat froth,
Wed 6 Apr 2011, 10:34,
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The thing is, if we all vote yes on AVthen these fuckers are still in power until the next election and have it within their ability to make the transition as painful and expensive as possible while pinning the blame on the Lib Dems and saying they were right all along.
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Wed 6 Apr 2011, 10:47,
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That's politics in a nutshellSo often it's screw what the people ask for, push through what you think is best for them (or yourself). And when they complain, blame someone else.
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Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇,
Wed 6 Apr 2011, 12:34,
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ErmI think a great many people have no idea what a change in the voting system would do to our political system.
This thing isn't just a cog you can replace, but the matrix upon which our entire political system is built.
To suggest that the government would purposefully waste money and time in making it seem like a bad idea is looking past the fact that it IS a bad idea and WOULD take an age to implement correctly.
I don't think many people have any idea what AV actually is or how it works. If they did, they'd realise it's incompatible with our system.
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Fri 8 Apr 2011, 16:49,
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This thing isn't just a cog you can replace, but the matrix upon which our entire political system is built.
To suggest that the government would purposefully waste money and time in making it seem like a bad idea is looking past the fact that it IS a bad idea and WOULD take an age to implement correctly.
I don't think many people have any idea what AV actually is or how it works. If they did, they'd realise it's incompatible with our system.
I don't think many people have any idea how the current system works either though, to be fair.
Quijibo Esq. BSc. May contain traces of nuts,
Mon 11 Apr 2011, 0:35,
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isn't that the point......that the system needs to change and the move to AV would provide the foundations upon which said change could be enacted?
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Mon 11 Apr 2011, 14:49,
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But how could it be in any politico's interest to have a lucid voting system? The notion is naive. Politics requires evermore opportunity for subterfuge and added layers of deniability. Any political 'solutions' not arising from 'grassroots' demand will inevitably turn out a Trojan Horse of some sort. But- love to have your support for has-been Yanks & our 'Votescam' free-for-all.
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Tue 12 Apr 2011, 17:16,
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