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# as a farmed commodity yes
but there's no reason to kill the entire species in spite
Although I imagine a lot of farmers would
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:10, archived)
# to stop the uprising the farmers would need to go like Saddam Hussain and gas the herds
(I helped save b3ta! Paul_P http://www.Paul-hub.com, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:12, archived)
# Ooooof!
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:13, archived)
# I doubt
there is much natural environment for them now in this country, and the wild ones would soon be killed illegally. Like the wild boar.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:12, archived)
# no, absolutely, same with cows
but there's nothing stopping people continuing to keep them as pets!
We created the problem, it's now clearly a major cause of damage to both our environment and health, so it kind of makes sense that we should find a solution
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:17, archived)
# I have this odd feeling you don't live in a flat.
Edit: because, obviously keeping them as pets in an urban environment is so clearly not practical.
I'd like to point out that I'm going on a pig-rearing course for a few days next month, in order to get a proper handle on when I have some outside space and decide to start keeping my own pigs.
I'm not being flip with you at all, I'm just intrigued by your somewhat didactic approach.

Edit Edit: Realises, all too late that he's got me on ignore anyway. Hey ho.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:20, archived)
# if it's any consollation I enjoyed this comments reasonableness
(I helped save b3ta! arrangedletters, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:33, archived)
# I've never
used the ignore button, even on that bloke who really hated me on here.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:36, archived)
# Well, once again, Ms Lunch
You show us all a better way.

*hugs*
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:41, archived)
# *hugs back*
Well, life's too short.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:47, archived)
# snap :D
I like being easy going.

EDIT: actually that's a lie... I ignored myself once to see what would happen.
(I helped save b3ta! arrangedletters, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:44, archived)
# What did happen?
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:48, archived)
# all my posts vanished from the board
and then I had a mild flap about how to undo it. :D
(I helped save b3ta! arrangedletters, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:52, archived)
# me? I haven't got anyone on ignore, I was just outside trying to fix a bit of fence
Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as didactic, this seems to happen a lot which is odd as all I think I'm doing is having a pleasant conversation.
Sorry again
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 15:52, archived)
# Hey Toasty,
No bother whatsoever, I was only wondering as you seemed very clear on your point. ....and then it all went quiet.

*firm handshakes*

Contrary to my normal 'let's all eat revolting foods' cant that I put on the board; Animal welfare is something I truly believe in and actively campaign for, but I guess I couch it more in terms of also providing as humane a means of food supply as possible to those who choose to eat meat.

I'm completely with where you're coming from from, though. My only caveat, I guess, would be that link to the South African academic's piece, which I'm finding a little too 'right on' to be practicable.
All in all, not an easily solved problem.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 15:55, archived)
# yep, I only said that it was a good read
I'm fascinated about how the brain works. Especially how posting a document that I thought was a good read makes people think I'm making a political or ethical statement :D
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 16:14, archived)
# I suspect the solution will probably end up being
some new hyper level of intensive farming.
(I helped save b3ta! Smallbrainfield, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:21, archived)
# if there's more money to be made then yes, I'm sure it will be
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:22, archived)
# You are being cynical today Toasty.
I think demand is the main driver for bacon production, not profit, although naturally that plays a huge part.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:27, archived)
# Bacon is good for my health!
Just the smell of it makes me happy.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:21, archived)
# Absolutely right!
Similarly, people who are afeared of rats should stop generating so much waste for them to live in
(I helped save b3ta! The Legendary Pink Dot survived yet another, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:22, archived)
# There's good eating on a rat
if you clean them and cook them thoroughly. Just watch out for them heavy metals...
(I helped save b3ta! Smallbrainfield, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:34, archived)
# You can't milk them either.
If only bacon wasn't so delicious.
(I helped save b3ta! Smallbrainfield, Mon 18 Apr 2011, 14:19, archived)