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# so... what you've basically said is 'they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't'?
they are lambasted for heavy handedness... then lambasted for not doing enough, and the prole up and down the country is calling for the army and rubber bullets...

its all abit 'very' isn't it
(likeajackhammer, Tue 9 Aug 2011, 17:01, archived)
# I think its more a question of being more critical
which is perfectly justified in my opinion considering the role police have in society and the potential power they have.

If the police can't tell the difference between a peaceful protest and a bunch of cunts smashing the place up, or a newspaper vendor walking away and a 'youth' nicking a laptop from curries then the public will be critical especially if the IPCC isn't up to the job, which it isn't.

I'm not saying I don't appreciate the job that they do
(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Tue 9 Aug 2011, 17:19, archived)
# No, what I'm basically saying
is what I've said above.

The police need to be seen to obey and respect the law. If they don't, the whole thing comes unglued. You just cannot realistically expect any society to behave lawfully if the upholders of the law do not.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Tue 9 Aug 2011, 17:25, archived)
# but I do see police obeying and respecting the law
and while I read in the press about those who don't, that doesn't make me want to set fire to my neighbours house or destroy local businesses
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 9 Aug 2011, 17:30, archived)
# you very rarely hear about someone doing what they'r supposed to
(likeajackhammer, Tue 9 Aug 2011, 17:32, archived)
# apart from shooting someone
who didn't shoot at them then not telling the family about it. that's where this all started.
(prostheses, Tue 9 Aug 2011, 17:43, archived)
# again, not belittling gross miscarriages of justice
but you cannot blame every single policeman in the country for the actions of 4 or 5 people in one specialist unit, which is what is happening.

Deal with individuals, saying "the police" are guilty is no better than saying an ethnic minority are terrorists or the way someone dresses makes him a criminal
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 9 Aug 2011, 17:46, archived)
# Anyone who joins the police, soon learns what the police are about.
If they choose to to stay, they become complicit. Fuck them.
(I helped save b3ta! 4Q just lurking, Wed 10 Aug 2011, 0:10, archived)
# My personal experience with the Police
indicates that they are complicit in helping to keep the roads safe, controlling thuggish behaviour and protecting my family members when violently intimidated by ex-husbands (among many other things, but this is only my direct experience).

That, in my view, is what they are "about" and if this is your attitude I hope that you don't ever need their services... and if you do I'm sure that they will help you out anyway.
(Captain Skippy pooed in a bag and left it on your doorstep, Wed 10 Aug 2011, 7:22, archived)
# May be worth waiting for the inquest
If the guy had a loaded gun that he was pointing at a policeman then I'm not too sure that it is unreasonable for the policeman to fire first.
(vicarius, Tue 9 Aug 2011, 23:53, archived)
# Yes.
That absolutely justifies violent rampages through the streets resulting in the death of at least one person, millions of pounds lost to businesses, homes destroyed and social upheaval which will quite possibly last a generation.

Or... people could just wait for the inquest which happens after every fatal shooting involving the Police, and find out what actually happened.
(Captain Skippy pooed in a bag and left it on your doorstep, Wed 10 Aug 2011, 7:18, archived)