football is a sport, plain and simple...it's a popular one which attracts fans from all walks of life across the wide spectrum of society.
It's the same as blaming video games for the violent actions of the stupid, or mentally-unhinged.
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 11:25,
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It's the same as blaming video games for the violent actions of the stupid, or mentally-unhinged.
I blame video games for everythingMissed my train this morning cos I was playing CoD til 4 in the morning.
Bastard video games.
(Bastard video games.
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 11:27,
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You kids, and your music
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 14:06,
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but then you dont tend to get this sort of thing at a cricket match.Or rugby, or snooker, or the olympics.
Maybe darts.
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 11:38,
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Maybe darts.
It is perhaps the organisers of the sport's fault for not being harsher on the punishments given to troublemakers.
Ultimately, I think that people often enjoy sport by feeling that they belong to a crowd, rather than for the sport itself, and herd mentality can be dangerous if not controlled.
Football has been allowed to get the reputation of being a thuggish sport, and so it is now going to attract those types.
(Ultimately, I think that people often enjoy sport by feeling that they belong to a crowd, rather than for the sport itself, and herd mentality can be dangerous if not controlled.
Football has been allowed to get the reputation of being a thuggish sport, and so it is now going to attract those types.
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 12:03,
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I feel "tribalism" is a better term for this sort of thing than "herd mentality"."Herd mentality" covers the relentless churn of consumerist fashions ("OMG must buy teh new hawt thing 'cos everyone else is!!!111one") nicely; but "there's an arbitrary difference between us and them, let's bash the shit out of each other" distinctly reminds me of that scene from the start of 2001 where the apeman tribes... bash the shit out of each other over an arbitrary difference between them.
Your sentiment's spot on, anyhow.
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 12:16,
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Your sentiment's spot on, anyhow.
so, it's not the sport...it's the organisers of said sport, i.e. it's governing body.
That I agree with.
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 12:25,
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That I agree with.
to a certain extent.In what other sport do you see highly paid professional players remonstrating aggressively with a match official, cheating to gain competitive advantage or taunting opposing fans? Often without any penalty.
Football has an underlying culture of aggression which transfers easily to an impressionable (and usually boozed-up) audience.
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 12:09,
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Football has an underlying culture of aggression which transfers easily to an impressionable (and usually boozed-up) audience.
yes, 22 men kicking a ball round a field is intrinsically harmless.what was your point again?
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 12:43,
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If the rules of the game encourage, or do not regulate against loutish behaviour then i dont think it's ridiculous at all
also... I'd like to know what percentage of these hooligans were actually AT the game...I'd wager than the WEREN'Ts outweigh the WEREs
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 13:35,
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football has a referee, boxing has a referee, it's obviously a fight innit?
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blaming "football" for the idiotic actions of the few knuckle-dragging fansis like blaming freedom of speech for peaceful protests turning into violent clashes
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 13:42,
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I love football and I love senseless violence, but which is better...? Ham o' Shatner -.-- --- ..- .-. / .- .-.. .-.. / --. .- -.--,
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it's interesting that football clubs in this country generally pick up the bill for the extra policing required on match days. If hoolganism wasnt attributable to football, do you think they would be prepared to do this?
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 14:31,
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it's not attributed to football...it's, again, attributed to the stupid actions of the minority.
This isn't that complicated.
Again, blaming football for the violence of those who participate or spectate is like blaming
violent video games for the failings of those who play them for not realising that it's not real - or blaming rap music for an increase in gang violence.
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 14:39,
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This isn't that complicated.
Again, blaming football for the violence of those who participate or spectate is like blaming
violent video games for the failings of those who play them for not realising that it's not real - or blaming rap music for an increase in gang violence.
A stupid, violent minority that does not exist in the audience of most other sports?What is it about football that attracts this sort of supporter?
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 14:48,
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it's popularity, especially with those from disadvantaged backgroundsprobably the fact that two people can play at least some form of football; whether it be pass-and-shoot, heads-and-volleys, two-touch, etc... whereas most other sports rely on a full team structure...
another aspect, at least at my school, is that football is used as a way to placate unruly students in a case of "just give them football and shut them up", without tackling (lol) and underlying issue.
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Wed 13 Jun 2012, 15:21,
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another aspect, at least at my school, is that football is used as a way to placate unruly students in a case of "just give them football and shut them up", without tackling (lol) and underlying issue.