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# 'from' or simply 'off' not fucking 'off of'
also, who's the puppet on the left?
(, Sun 9 Dec 2012, 20:42, archived)
# How about
"Snap, Crackle and Pop from off of the Rice Krispies box"?
(, Sun 9 Dec 2012, 20:44, archived)
# haha
(, Sun 9 Dec 2012, 20:45, archived)
# Or take a deep breath and put your feet up Toasty.
Language changes.
(, Sun 9 Dec 2012, 20:44, archived)
# I understand language streamlining, but not putting in extra pointless bits
(, Sun 9 Dec 2012, 20:46, archived)
# Have a read of a book by Guy Deutscher, although I forget its name
As part of a protracted explanation of how case structures and vocabulary grows in languages, he points out that "Aujourd'ui" is now used so commonly that many French are using "Au jour d'aujiord'ui" which translates as "On the day of the day of today". His point is that when the language gets worn down enough, users feel the need to emphasise certain traits. So where originally "hui" meant "today", by the Middle Ages it was used so frequently in the sense "these days" that the need was to emphasise "today", hence "au jour d'ui". Now that "aujourd'ui" is used so frequently to mean "at the present time" or "these days", speakers are introducing "au jour d'aujourd'ui" to denote "today". In a few hundred years time, expect "au jour d'aujourd'dauhourd'ui".

He then points out that English speakers shouldn't look so smug because the word "upon" means something like "on top of the thing above the on top".
(, Sun 9 Dec 2012, 20:49, archived)
# I've heard it in speech MANY times, but never seen it in text. Quite fascinating.
(, Sun 9 Dec 2012, 20:45, archived)
# Am I right in thinking it was
Lee and Herring who started the "off of" thing?

(ie doing it deliberately)
(, Sun 9 Dec 2012, 20:46, archived)
# fist
of fun, iirc
(, Sun 9 Dec 2012, 20:49, archived)
# yep, with Chris Moyles too
www.fistoffun.net/pressarticles/1998-12-00-capital_radio_interview.htm

CHRIS: Hello, this is Capital FM. It's the Late Bit, I'm Chris Moyles. Lee and Herring are here.
STEW: (stupid voice) HELLO!
CHRIS: They're from TV's Fist of Fun.
STEW: That's right.
CHRIS: Coz it says here on the flier, " Lee and Herring OFF OF TV's Fist of Fun" I don't understand what that is.
STEW: We're OFF OF it.
CHRIS: OFF OF?
STEW: Yeah, OFF OF TV's Fist of Fun.
CHRIS: Well, that's not grammatically correct, though.
STEW: It is.
RICH: It's the sort of thing your Gran would say. "It's him off of the telly!"
CHRIS: Lee and Herring OFF OF TV's Fist of Fun.
STEW: That's right! (they giggle) It's irritating, isn't it?!
(, Sun 9 Dec 2012, 20:50, archived)
# sorry toasty
I will flagellate myself appropriately for my crimes against the Toast's English.
(, Sun 9 Dec 2012, 20:51, archived)
# I can't help it, people talking like they're on The Only Way is Essex brings me out in a rash
(, Sun 9 Dec 2012, 20:56, archived)
# It's fine, just genuflect before the Toasty alter and all shall be forgiven.
(I love the word genuflect)
(, Sun 9 Dec 2012, 20:56, archived)
# It stuck in my head when someone mentioned it features in a David Hasselhoff song :D
(, Sun 9 Dec 2012, 20:59, archived)
# I've seen it used in Viz quite a bit
It's supposed to poke fun at the uneducated proles.

"Isn't that Jimmy Hill off of that there television?"
(, Mon 10 Dec 2012, 10:14, archived)