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# britain has a zero growth rate
we are running out of young people
(edit) woops, i don't mean zero growth. i mean low birth rate hence a population with an increasingly large proportion of the old and retired
(I helped save b3ta! Spoon, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 11:48, archived)
# Well why not import some?
There's plenty out there.
(I helped save b3ta! Baz Fuck off, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 11:49, archived)
# exactermally
we'll be paying people to move here in ten years time
(I helped save b3ta! Spoon, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 11:51, archived)
# We're doing that now!


/Daily Mail
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 11:52, archived)
# it's what makes me laugh about
the anti-immigration nobbers. on page one of the daily mail its all 'keep the nasty foreigners out' and on page two it will be 'why isn't the government doing anything about the lack of doctors/teachers/police'

how many doctors are sitting in detention centers at the moment?
(I helped save b3ta! Spoon, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:02, archived)
# Harold Shipman
for one
(Mattyboy, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:10, archived)
# You are a bad, bad man.
:)
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:12, archived)
# haha!
he was doing the country a favour really ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Spoon, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:13, archived)
# he's a hero
but where's his medal?




/Homer
(I helped save b3ta! atomboy, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:27, archived)
# Bwha ha ha ha
Bravo sir, bravo!
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:14, archived)
# Hahaha
Evil lad
(I helped save b3ta! Whillow, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:26, archived)
# But that's just a response to the population boom after the wars.
Britain is densely populated, and may not be able to sustain it's own food and energy suplies as time goes on and "developing nations" start to wonder why they send us all the food they grow.
(I helped save b3ta! Herr Tezcat, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 11:51, archived)
# there is a large number of
houses standing empty here, but we're a bit crap on the infrastructure to support them
i wouldn't say we are densely populated, it's not as if we are crammed up to the edges of the sea or anything

farming is increasingly fucked, which you're right will be an increasing problem as we have to import more. the biggest problem i see is developing countries not wanting to export all their professionals here, which is fair enough
(I helped save b3ta! Spoon, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 11:56, archived)
# Not true:
www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=6
(I helped save b3ta! dirty barry, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 11:55, archived)
#
www.sustainable-development.gov.uk/sustainable/quality99/chap4/04k03.htm
(edit) i don't know if that website is any good, it is the first one i came across that shows how the proportion of people over 65 is increasing
(I helped save b3ta! Spoon, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 11:58, archived)
# It was the zero growth bit I was arguing with
There are more births than deaths in the UK
(I helped save b3ta! dirty barry, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:03, archived)
# you're right
what i was really meaning was that the birth rate is low, and that the proportion of older (hence retired) people is increasing significantly

i used the wrong term, which was confusing
(I helped save b3ta! Spoon, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:08, archived)
# It doesn't say in your link
how much of that 2.5m increase is due to imigration though. Quite alot over the 20 years '81-'01 I would think.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:09, archived)
# not much really
there wasn't that much immigration in the twenty year period, 'cos there were realtively few humanitarian crises that people could escape to here from until near the end.
(I helped save b3ta! atomboy, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:30, archived)
# Plenty of economic migration though.
And there are an awful lot of Somalians, Cosovans, Columbians, Indian Muslims and others who might disagree with your point there.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:33, archived)
# Yes it does:
"The growth in the population of the UK is mainly due to net natural change (more births than deaths). Natural change accounted for over 80 per cent of the total population change between 1981 and 2001. The rest of the population change is due to other changes. Although the main component of these other changes is net civilian migration, this is not the only component. "
(I helped save b3ta! dirty barry, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 13:14, archived)