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# I agree to some extent.
I would like to see adoption become alot more popular generally, and a good place to start would be to open the way for more same-sex couples to adopt.

There's an argument that reproduction is something of a basic human right though, and therefore witholding the treatment might constitute a breach of said rights. Plus, it could stave off depression and other psychological trauma for the couple involved.

Anyway, what do I know. Fuck it.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 11:49, archived)
# Hmm.
www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

I guess it depends how you interpret Article 16.
(I helped save b3ta! Baz Fuck off, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 11:53, archived)
# Indeed.
I suppose a good lawyer would site interpret clase 3 as support for my above argument.

I'm more inclined to agree with your initial premise though. And I think my friend just below here is right too. It'll inevitably lead to a progressive increase of infertility.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 11:58, archived)
# Doesn't say you have a right to have kids
just that your family should be protected.
(I helped save b3ta! butchbint, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:03, archived)
# Well
it says "the family" should be protected. Does that mean a specific family already in existence, or the idea of a family should be protected, ie the physical ability to create said family.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:05, archived)
# *sniffs*
you a lawyer?
(I helped save b3ta! butchbint, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:07, archived)
# how does he smell?
(I helped save b3ta! Herr Tezcat, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:14, archived)
# I love lawyers
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(Mattyboy, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:15, archived)
# Well, as much as I hate to say it, Fertility is one of the strongest evolutionary factors.
and the more children born to low-fertility couples, the more fertility treatment will be needed in years to come, until it is relied upon for reproduction.

It isn't Eugenics, it's a case of humanity being biologically prepared to survive in the event of, say, a power-cut.
(I helped save b3ta! Herr Tezcat, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 11:55, archived)
# technically,
that is eugenics, I believe.
Cancer is also partly heritable. Should we refuse cancer sufferers treatment too?
edit: this is getting too serious for b3ta, I'm going to lunch.
(I helped save b3ta! MissPrism, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:02, archived)
# I don't think he's stating that as a case for witholding treatment
just that it's a strong possibility, and if we set a precedent for it being publicly funded, it should be done with an awareness of the future costs involved.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:04, archived)
# Yes.
The NHS is already under enough financial pressure without spending hundreds of millions of pounds and what is essentially a "luxury". I've no objection to people spending their own money on fertility treatment.
(I helped save b3ta! Baz Fuck off, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:07, archived)
# And for fuck's sake
some of these people are fucking ugly
(Mattyboy, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:14, archived)
# Perhaps we should means test.
If you can pass an attractiveness test, and answer 50 medium-difficulty general knowledge questions, then it's on the house. Otherwise, you're on the genetic scrapheap along with the other retarded thickos.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:21, archived)
# Absolutely
looking at some of these people I'm sure it's not infertility it's just that they're both so ugly the thought of fucking each other fills them with a dread and fear only previouslt felt in the trenches.
(Mattyboy, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:23, archived)
# You're controversial
but I like your style. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
(I helped save b3ta! Baz Fuck off, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:25, archived)
# No, but people don't die of infertility.
(I helped save b3ta! Baz Fuck off, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:04, archived)
# Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm




*thinks*
(I helped save b3ta! Herr Tezcat, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:04, archived)
# same sex couples can adopt
just only one of them adopts the kids, the other becomes a legal guardian.
(I helped save b3ta! butchbint, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 11:56, archived)
# I believe so
although I see an awful lot of literature bemoaning the reluctance of adoption boards to place children with same-sex couples. It's an attitude adjustment that's needed rather than a legal one I think. The same applies to mixed-race couples, or black couples adopting asian children, for example.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:00, archived)
# true
I suppose my mates who adopted do live in Brighton... Were all gay in Brighton
(I helped save b3ta! butchbint, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:06, archived)
# we certainly are!
Whoops!
(I helped save b3ta! isthisyou?, Thu 4 Sep 2003, 12:14, archived)