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# i hope they do
the houses of parliament is such an ugly building
(I helped save b3ta! Spoon, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:24, archived)
# Okay...
Now you ALL say that. But it hasn't happened, so you don't know HOW you'd react. I myself remember it quite clearly... my feelings that is. Not anger, American Pride or any of that crap. I didn't know anybody who died that day. But what was nice, was the feeling that everybody had towards each other for the LONGEST time afterwards. That sense of unity... THAT was cool.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:26, archived)
# Well yes.
As long as you didn't look a bit foreign.
(I helped save b3ta! Baz Fuck off, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:28, archived)
# that your leaders took
to screw nations over for oil & power

real nice
(I helped save b3ta! Darkedge, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:28, archived)
# Hey...
I cannot be blamed for the actions of our president. He's wrong, and so is Tony Blair.

There are no "WMD's", and we all know it.

BUT.. support the troops at least.
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:33, archived)
# I don't support
US troops. They are poorly trained and are murdering innocent civilians.
(I helped save b3ta! Monkboy, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:36, archived)
# and getting paid for it
and will all claim compensation afterwards for trauma.
(I helped save b3ta! popt_art, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:39, archived)
# They get paid
very poorly though. Only 1000 $ a month and no compensation for being stationed abroad. I know that many of their wives need welfare support...
(mare, Fri 10 Oct 2003, 16:50, archived)
# HOW DARE YOU!
Remember, your troops are over there too.

Poorly trained... pah!
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:42, archived)
# not that we want them there
at all & and I don't support them - I pity them for having to do a stupid job and possibly die for companies like Exxon.
(I helped save b3ta! Darkedge, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:45, archived)
# WHAT???
You HAVE to be joking... right?

that is without a doubt one of the most misinformed I've ever read from you.

ANd you are always such a lovely argumentative person!
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 18:15, archived)
# so going into
Iraq wasn't to secure the oil supply?? Oh really?

I enjoy a good argument, however you don't seem to really have the intelligence to understand half of what is being said to you. Unfortunately this is too much of a one sided argument so I'm going to give up and leave you to your misinformed, childish, bigoted, xenophobic, racist views.
(I helped save b3ta! Darkedge, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 18:24, archived)
# That's it
Keep it up Darkedge. No better way of showing just how informed you are than to resort to openly insulting the other party.
(El_Gordo, Fri 10 Oct 2003, 15:20, archived)
# Yes poorly trained...
Oh look an evil enemy convoy quick bomb it.
Oh, it was a BBC camera crew with some of our allies.
Repeat..
(Mr_Bobbins, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:46, archived)
# soldiers are there because they have to be
reporters are in the way because they're stupid. It would take a VERY big paycheck for me to stand in the vicinity of a 22 year old with a machine gun. Especially if he's done nothing since he was 18 other than get psychologically fucked with so that he will be hoping, not only willing, to shoot something. Reporters either know what the risks are (in which case it was their decision) or not (in which case killing them probably raised the average IQ).
(Philosopher30M, Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:02, archived)
# look mate
no matter what you say, the rest of the world hates america, thinks you are all cocks and treated 9/11 as a day of entertaining tv.*



*i am not legally entitled to speak for the rest of the world
(I helped save b3ta! dipdapdop, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:54, archived)
# Nice disclaimer.
(I helped save b3ta! Baz Fuck off, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:55, archived)
# Let's try a little reason, shall we?
Wow, look at all the hateful bashing of the colonies.... I have several points to make on this
1) The US military is not poorly trained, just trigger happy. I was in the US military and also took advantage of opportunities to train with British, French, Australian, Tongan, Japanese armed forces. My biased opinion is that the average US infantry marine could stomp any other infantry soldier.
2) The job of any government is to provide for the best intrests of the country it represents. Any drivel about oppression, fairness or any other bleeding-heart sentimentality is just bullshit and doesn't belong in a political environment where jobs need to get done.
3) The US soldiers may have been the first in combat in Iraq, but they're not the only ones... Until your country/countries pull all their troops out, shut your cockholsters.
4) America is no more a "teenager flexing it's muscles" than britain was when the phrase 'the sun never sets on the British empire' was true. You had your time, you're in no position to judge.
(Philosopher30M, Fri 10 Oct 2003, 16:24, archived)
# Brits vs. Yanks
THANK YOU FOR YOUR STATEMENTS; I AM TOO UPSET BY ALL THIS HATE FROM OVERSEAS I CANNOT CLEARLY STATE A CASE!
(ELJEFE805, Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:30, archived)
# Brits V. Yanks
I reckon Prince Charles could have George Bush
(Bubba Minx, Sat 11 Oct 2003, 8:53, archived)
# Innocent civilians?
You mean those guys wearing civilian clothes that keep shooting at the troops? Yeah, our troops have been trained to return fire. Shame on them.

In the meantime, lets forget about the thousands of UNARMED innocent civilians they killed in the world trade center. Let's also forget that they've been killing each other for thousands of years now, just not as effectively as we can.
(Philosopher30M, Fri 10 Oct 2003, 18:01, archived)
# innocent civilians?
how about the innocent civilians who've died in this wholly unjustified "war"? how about the innocent civilians who die at the hands of the state of israel, whom we support financially? how about the innocent civilians in central america who die at the hands of generals trained by OUR military, in Georgia? I am an American who, like the rest of the world, is more than fed up with American militarism.

perhaps it is not the fault of the soldiers... but you know, if you look at it that way, the holocaust wasn't the fault of the german civilians who were "just doing their job" killing the jews, either. i don't buy that "it's what they were trained to do" garbage. it's KILLING A HUMAN BEING, no matter how you look at it. killing to avenge killing in no way should be an acceptable foreign policy. didn't ghandi say an eye for an eye makes the world go blind?

i will never, EVER, say i support the troops. until the day supporting the troops means bringing them home to their families, where they belong.
(dcatlc, Sat 11 Oct 2003, 3:21, archived)
# Welcome to Earth.
People have killed people for as long as they've been around. Killing happens, it's not a fun reality, but it's reality nontheless. There's lots of things about the world that suck, get over it.
(Philosopher30M, Mon 13 Oct 2003, 15:34, archived)
# why support the troops
what they are doing is wrong - I cannot support any of it.

We are not blaiming you directly. Thats the problem with america is they now think everyone is out to get them. They arn't. 90% are just trying to survive. I cannot condone any acts of terrorism or war or capitalisic genocide/torture/rape.
(I helped save b3ta! Darkedge, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:40, archived)
# Maybe part of the reason for the US's paranoia
is that we're constantly being put on the defensive for anything that our government does... Have the posts on this thread are a perfect example.
(Philosopher30M, Fri 10 Oct 2003, 23:00, archived)
# Urmmm
You don't have to feel "on the defensive" unless you actually support them.

I hear this a lot from you guys: Yes, we know George Bush is an idiot. But he is our LEADER.

hello
(Bubba Minx, Sat 11 Oct 2003, 9:00, archived)
# He is not
your leader!
(elmsyrup, Sun 12 Oct 2003, 14:21, archived)
# I get defensive when
people attack "Americans" as a whole.... Attack George Bush all you want. After all, I didn't vote for him and don't think he should be allowed anywhere near the White House.
(Philosopher30M, Mon 13 Oct 2003, 16:00, archived)
# As you said
to an extent it was America's wake-up call to terrorism. We're a bit more used to it over here.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:28, archived)
# I would imagine so.
...
(I helped save b3ta! Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:34, archived)
# So
We the arabs should bomb america more often to make you feel more at one?
(I helped save b3ta! sick_boy, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:28, archived)
# Are you intentionally stupid?
Or does it come naturally?
(Philosopher30M, Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:06, archived)
# The trouble with England
though, is, if that happened, all the knobby skinhead, football-liking violent-heads would get all cocky and start beating up everything. National pride, in England, is wee
(Ellis, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:28, archived)
# indeed
why is it, if your foreign friend loves his country, the media call him a Patriotist, if we love our country, the media call us Nationalists...
(I helped save b3ta! timothy claypole, Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:57, archived)