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# I've been to the rainforest
read the collected works of Kafka in a hammock in the Amazon, on the Rio Urubu. It was the dry season though- no rain.
(I helped save b3ta! crab_bloke), Fri 22 Feb 2002, 19:47, archived)
# Actually
that's a lie. there were several serious downpours, but always very brief. I listened to Ice Cube and caught a really big fish.
(I helped save b3ta! crab_bloke), Fri 22 Feb 2002, 19:49, archived)
# Kafka?
Call me uncultured, but

HUH?
(I helped save b3ta! rockyrobin, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 19:50, archived)
# Kafka rocks
some of the best literature I've ever read. But then again, the dark, paranoid stuff really appeals to me, and nobody has ever been as dark or as paranoid as Kafka. Seriously- he's written some of the best things I've ever read. Beats stephen king for darkness hands down, for example.
(I helped save b3ta! crab_bloke), Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:01, archived)
# Heeeyyyyy, Little Crabby!
YAY!
How was your evening. How many Guinesses did you do tonight?
By the way, I know it's not you on the button of you on the gallery page I did today. I'll change it one way or the other. That's Pazoozu Umbezi speaking.
(Nacho, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 19:50, archived)
# Hiya babes
Very drunk- several pints and I suppose by now a couple of bottles of wine (been drinking since I got back). Discussing the fact that both b3ta and rathergood are about to go bankrupt in the next few weeks (possibly couple of weeks) with rob. We are about to go under. I am skint, no way I can afford to host rathergood. The dream may well be about to die. But fuck it, it'll all work out in the end. How about you?
(I helped save b3ta! crab_bloke), Fri 22 Feb 2002, 19:58, archived)
# Well, I'm in as bad a position as you
dosh wise. Which is why I'm sitting in on a Friday night on my own. Got the offer to go out, but I hate going to the pub and waiting for someone to realise you've had an empty glass for ages, take pity on you and supply you with more booze.
But my magical over frozen freezer supplied me with a luxury bottle of Absolut for which I am eternally greatful.
Is Rob round yours?
Hi, Rob, if you are.
(Nacho, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:03, archived)
# Nah, rob's pissed off back to his
But seriously, both b3ta and rathergood are likely to go down in the next couple of weeks. How do we get funding? we're fucked.
(I helped save b3ta! crab_bloke), Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:07, archived)
# How much does your hosting cost at the moment?
Have you tried looking for a sponsor at all?
(Nacho, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:09, archived)
# Hosting
I don't post anything interesting as I have no artistic ability. But being a Brit stuck in the US, b3ta has kept me sane over the last few weeks. If there's anything I can do to help you out, you're more than welcome. I can't promise a big cheque in the post :( But, there may be a medium sized one for an official apology to all penguins out there. And to all llamas, as llamas are cool.
(I helped save b3ta! winston_theramin, Sat 23 Feb 2002, 0:21, archived)
# Hosting
I don't post anything interesting as I have no artistic ability. But being a Brit stuck in the US, b3ta has kept me sane over the last few weeks. If there's anything I can do to help you out, you're more than welcome. I can't promise a big cheque in the post :( But, there may be a medium sized one for an official apology to all penguins out there. And to all llamas, as llamas are cool.
(I helped save b3ta! winston_theramin, Sat 23 Feb 2002, 0:21, archived)
# Love the new gallery Nacho
Who is Basil, and what was she on?
(I helped save b3ta! pabulum, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:10, archived)
# She? Oh that;s great! That has amused me
Basil is my flatmate. His real name's Aaron. I've lived with him for 4 and a half years. He's my surrogate brother.
(Nacho, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:17, archived)
# That was just me and Basil
pissing about on a school night.
We might have smoked a few though.
Maybe not. That's kind of the normal type of conversation at Snake Mountain. All animal noises and strange voices welcome.
Even got some quality wavs of my mum speaking Zulu and doing animal noises stored on my pc.
(Nacho, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:23, archived)
# And there was me just emailing you
saying what a godsend b3ta is on a pissed Friday night.
(I helped save b3ta! pabulum, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:05, archived)
# Getting a shag
would be better though!!
That's it.
Game over.
I've gone into smut land.
Stop right there.
More vodka.
Less thinking.
(Nacho, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:12, archived)
# Where's the boyfriend
with the mask for a face that you posted earlier? Is he not keeping you warm?
(I helped save b3ta! pabulum, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:16, archived)
# Nah, he's
out and about somewhere.
Dunno where.
I don't care - I'm in Tron Land
(Nacho, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:20, archived)
# I know mate
it's a godsend to me too. this is my baby, although I am not the only parent, and we achieved everything we meant to achieve and far more. Unfortunately there is no money in it and we use a huge amount of bandwidth, so we will soon have the plug pulled on us. I have hundreds of thousands of loyal users, no job and no money. Go figure. Between b3ta and rathergood, which have grown as mutually dependent entities, there are literally millions of users, but no revenue, and these days no revenue means it doesn't matter shit if you're among the best there are in the world at what you do if it doesn't make money. I give up, they've fucked me. I am a victim of a virulent media recession to which I thought I was immune. Fuckers. I'm skint. Got 10p for a cup of tea?
(I helped save b3ta! crab_bloke), Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:16, archived)
# If I gave you tuppence,
would you feed the birds, or
buy paper and string for your own set of wings?
(Nacho, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:19, archived)
# There have to be other ways
to keep something like this going, without having to resort to fucking adverts plastered all over everything. As I'm sure you've discovered yourself, as soon as the sponsors move in, they call the shots. I'd subscribe to b3ta, pay a small monthly fee to keep it going. It's a rare entity, and really deserves to survive.
(I helped save b3ta! pabulum, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:24, archived)
# It's still snowing
and I just poured my last glass
(I helped save b3ta! pabulum, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:31, archived)
# That's really fucking great mate
but I fear you're in a minority. The pay for use model wold fix the situation, but we'd feel very weird about trying to implement it, and there's always the worry that the natural attrition that would kill the essence of what we've created, which is essentially an elite collecitve of the best creatives out there, doing shit because it's fun rather than because it has commercial value. I don't know- maybe that's the best way to go, but the pay for use model is so difficult to make work. There's long long discussions about the psychology of this which would probably be beter held off-list.
(I helped save b3ta! crab_bloke), Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:43, archived)
# And off-pished too probably
Time for bed. G'night from snowy Glasgow
(I helped save b3ta! pabulum, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:56, archived)
# noooooo!!!!1
say it aint soo!! Ive just seen a polar bear juggle penguins - where else will i get to see such wonderfull things?? how much bandwith are you using and how much do you need!!?!?!?!?!!?!?
(scabby dog, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:36, archived)
# Lots
and lots. This will become a proper serious issue soon enough. maybe we should just not worry about it right now.
(I helped save b3ta! crab_bloke), Fri 22 Feb 2002, 21:01, archived)
# well
i know i would one of those in the minority who would be interested in chipping in to help - its costing me a bit for all my domains but i dont get any traffic so bandwith is not an issue for me but i know where youre coming from - B3ta is too good to go away - why dont all interested parties get together over a drink and we can all bash some ideas about while getting drunk? so, when you all coming to Brighton for drinks then? : )
(scabby dog, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 21:09, archived)
# If I buy a crab shirt
will you not let rathergood die?
(thellama73, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 21:18, archived)
# I'd give you a fiver...
...however, I know you'd only spend it buying fags and booze for underaged marmots.

Perhaps trying to push merchandise more? A mug a day could keep the bailiffs away. Well, a thousand mugs at 0.001% comission. It's amazing you've managed to keep going this long without going into ads/subs.
Perhaps organising a Bitch-Aid style fundraiser? Or, last resort, a diaspora of the whole B3ta community onto seperate spaces - using free messageboards (if any still exist), cheap/free webspace, perhaps even turning B3ta into some kind of Web-Ring type thing, spreading the content over several people's Blogs, turning B3ta.com into nothing more than a redirection hub(pretty much what it serves as now though I s'pose). Hell, I wish I could just give you my webspace, but I doubt 30M would be much use to this monster.
(I helped save b3ta! grinfish redux I can remember when all this were eels, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 20:53, archived)
# For example:
If this didn't sell well in the net-enabled student community, what would?

(I helped save b3ta! grinfish redux I can remember when all this were eels, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 21:20, archived)
# Waaaagh!
It's falling over the edge!
(I helped save b3ta! grinfish redux I can remember when all this were eels, Fri 22 Feb 2002, 21:24, archived)
# Help
I have 50MB of hosting space if you can use it. Free to anyone as talented.
(I helped save b3ta! winston_theramin, Sat 23 Feb 2002, 0:10, archived)