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# Hear hear
if the BBC had to chase advertising revenues, they'd only show a murder drama every night like ITV, or softporn/nazidocumentary stuff like Channel 5.
(I helped save b3ta! Pope Shax XIII uses Visio for picture editing, does it show?, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:28, archived)
# I'm be damned if I'll let that Murdoch fucker sink it
Australian television is - in a word - crap. Very few original and/or quality programs are being made due to the cancer of commercialism. Any new ideas usually come from the poorly-funded ABC (or version of the BBC), and are soon poached and bastardised by one of the commercial networks. It reached a stage a long time ago that a producer wanting to sell a show to a commercial network would not only have to pitch the programme as an audience winner, but also structure it as a money-spinner in its own right (because he knows the going price for a programme is well below what is needed to make a living for all concerned). The result? A glut of lifestyle shows (complete with sponsors, product placement, 'impartial' inclusion of and/or commentary on products etc.) and crap game shows and little else of interest.

Here in the UK we have the BBC - which not only acts as a barrier against this kind of commercial saturation, but is also out-fucking-standing when it comes to talent development. Having the BBC means that (via radio and/or television) more quality writers, performers, producer etc. get a chance to evolve and eventually produce new and exciting forms of entertainment.

Oh, and we get news that isn't poisoned by the agenda of one greedy old right-wing fuck who Just. Won't. Die.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:36, archived)
# The BBC will sink itself
because its news is dictated by the agenda of elitist left-wing fucks who hate their own people.
(Indole Ring, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:39, archived)
# Bollocks.
(I helped save b3ta! Baz Fuck off, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:41, archived)
# It's happening right now.
Look at the cesspit it's jumped into. Lying and getting caught.
(Indole Ring, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:45, archived)
# Get a grip man.
One reporter fucked up. A few editors didn't have the foresight to see this might happen. It's hardly the downfall of an evil empire is it?
(tomsk, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:50, archived)
# Now, now tomsk
You know what they say about rotten apples.

It's obvious that we have to dismantle the entire BBC because of this.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:51, archived)
# I suppose the difference is
The Scum, Blair and Campbell never get caught
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:50, archived)
# also
it helps the scum's (and by extension murdoch's) agenda to bash the bbc 'cos they want an end to the license fee so he can take over terrestrial tv and pollute, the shithead.

anyway, i saw you last night in the grand committee room and didn't say hi, so hi. i thought you made a couple of interesting points
(I helped save b3ta! atomboy, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:52, archived)
# hi
and thanks

[edit] and I agree completely. Rupert 'fair and balanced' Murdoch is going to be all over this.

www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17035
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:56, archived)
# it wasn't the bbc
it was one over-excited journalist who over-egged the pudding a little, and the governors were a little over-vigorous in their defence of him (it turns out the substantive thrust - that the claim was bollocks - was correct), however they were dealing with campbell, who was so consistently aggressive in his attacks on any reports even vagualey critical of number 10, that they had to be aggressive in return or be shouted down by the biggest bully in the playground
(I helped save b3ta! atomboy, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:50, archived)
# It's the whole corporate culture.
This was just the most prominent event in a consistent pattern of behaviour by the BBC.

Now, perhaps, it will become more accountable/
(Indole Ring, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:53, archived)
# Will you please look at the alternatives?
Balance is qualitative, and compared to everyone else, the BBC _is_ balanced. I for one don't want it muzzled by a government that is already scarily powerful in terms of information control.
Who do you trust, Indole? ITV? Sky!?
(tomsk, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 16:03, archived)
# I trust no single source.
Diversity of information is the only way to get anything like a reasonable view.

However, the BBC is a near-monolithic block of left-wing opinion funded by legally enforced compulsory payments. I would like to see it, and its counterparts like the ABC in Australia, made to become more balanced, or lose their government funding.
(Indole Ring, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 16:06, archived)
# Oh yes, agreed
A right wing view, or even a balanced one, or even a wibble one, has never been broadcast on any channel of the BBC
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 16:21, archived)
# no it's not
but if another channel was, I'd watch that.
(I helped save b3ta! MissPrism, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:47, archived)
# Hehehehehe
now that's a rant and a half.
(I helped save b3ta! StickFigureNinja is worried he may be on the list, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:40, archived)
# how about a list of stuff
that just wouldn't exist without something like the BBC? Easier?

:o)

The Office
Have I Got News For You
League of Gentlemen
(feel free to continue under this line)

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[edit] Damn, I forgot to lead with Wogan....
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:43, archived)
# Life of Mammals
All of Radio Four
Everything I've ever gone round to a friend's house solely to watch on telly
(I helped save b3ta! MissPrism, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:45, archived)
# all of bbc4
little britain
nighty night
.........
(I helped save b3ta! atomboy, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:47, archived)
# Oooh, i dont need something easier
it's just nice to see someone going off on a rant like that occasionally.
It's even better when they have a very good point.
(I helped save b3ta! StickFigureNinja is worried he may be on the list, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:46, archived)
# What he said.
(I helped save b3ta! Baz Fuck off, Wed 28 Jan 2004, 15:40, archived)