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# Obviously
what we need is a really good war - wear we can go on rations have thousands of yanks stationed here and start singing good old tunes like the ones Chaz and Dave do - er i think not - heres to europe(you want to be the 53rd state?)
(I helped save b3ta! Choice, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:11, archived)
# I love Europe
but not the piddly and silly law changes that they put onto us.

Anyone old enough or anyone with any intellect will have noticed the general discipline level reducing over the years. And this coincides with the "little shit" scenarios.
(I helped save b3ta! koit WWW.HIGHASAKOIT.CO.UK, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:15, archived)
# I would imagine teaching
a kid how to respect people as opposed to beating them up may be more beneficial...
Violence breeds violence breeds violence...
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:16, archived)
# Yeah not all of it makes sense
but I think the issues with discipline are more to do with society's knowledge and tolerance of behaviour. News and they way it is reported, it is like advertising crime, when was the last headline with an upbeat theme? Rape is glorified, Peodophilla exempflified, and you can become a media celebrity if you can kill enough people....sad
(I helped save b3ta! Choice, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:21, archived)
# I was smacked as a kid
for things that I did wrong......I also was taught how to respect as a flip of the same coin. I respect people whole heartedly and would never breed violence.

It's kind of an interesting argument this cos you'll find that nature's discipline is based on smacking/ostracising (spelling?)

Study animal nature progs and you'll see, this includes all apes/monkeys and horses, elephants, dolphins......intelligent species. It works.
(I helped save b3ta! koit WWW.HIGHASAKOIT.CO.UK, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:21, archived)
# Sorry about the earlier soapbox
but while I dont think you are completely wrong you are not completely right either - we have the highest form of comication of any species - the ones above don't, but I don't think I've ever heardof dolphins chastising one another?
(I helped save b3ta! Choice, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:24, archived)
# I was never
hit as a kid, yet I also know how to respect people - not out of fear of punishment but just knowledge. I don't obey law at all - I just use my common sense and don't go round killing people and the like...
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:24, archived)
# I think the difference
is that some poeple dont do it because they think it is wrong and some don't because they are afraid to get caught and dont like the idea of being punished, to smack or not to smack - a conundrum(fuk I cant spell that)
(I helped save b3ta! Choice, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:27, archived)
# It is
indeed a two pipe conundrum...
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:30, archived)
# It's a very very complex combination of factors
that have brought society to where it is, regards discipline it's not as simple as hitting = discipline, not hitting = less discipline.
I know we all know it's not clearcut but the way it seems to me Society and the whole human race are not going to have a very good future, and that's before you take into account any of the environmental issues which whill only increase the disruptivness of the evolving Society.
(or something)
(I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:32, archived)
# Can c y u r a
Prof - but I think one of the deteriorations is lack of contact, kids with parents, neighbors with neighbors, family the works - the alternate balance is we get to talk to a wider spectrum of people over the net, phone, workplace - is there a happy balance?
(I helped save b3ta! Choice, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:35, archived)
# It's impossible to try and go back
to the 'family values' Mr. Major was so keen to impress upon us. The 'kids' today are fully empowered with information readily available to them that their parents often don't have so if information = power then suddenly the power has shifted to the computer literate younger generations and those parents who still only see computers as a thing off Tomorrow's world can get 'blinded by science' (like a "l-a-s-e-r" - Austin Powers) and the kids get a superiority complex and their parents REALLY DON'T understand them.
This is of course only true in some cases, it's impossible to speak generally about it but in a lot of cases it's true, thus increasing the usual amount of teen angst and rebellion to new and worrying levels.

(copied off the back of a box of Frosties)
(I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:45, archived)
# Before I spaz myself
an unhummus the board, just let me say - HERES to FROSTIES, without tony we be worse people....
(I helped save b3ta! Choice, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:48, archived)
# Before I spaz myself
and unhummus the board, just let me say - HERES to FROSTIES, without tony we be worse people....
(I helped save b3ta! Choice, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:48, archived)
# Yup - we're fucked
but I don't care.
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:37, archived)
# i fink we're totally sorted,
and the world is in fact totally fab. we've still got trees, kittens, beer, hedgehogs, sex, sunlight, etc. i can't understand dystopians at all
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:46, archived)
# Those we may have,
but we also have Tony Blair, Tipper Gore, GWB, thousands of multinational companies leeching the planet but protected by nation states... I could go on.
(I helped save b3ta! helmetcream, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:50, archived)
# Are
frosties 'safe' ?
(I helped save b3ta! Choice, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:54, archived)
# the problem routine:
10 if you can't do anything about about it, goto 40
20 do something about it
30 if it hasn't gone away, goto 10
40 make the most of it

use this information wisely
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 13:03, archived)
# I think you made an error in your coding
Line 10 should read: go to the pub get drunk
Line 20 should read: End sub
(I helped save b3ta! Choice, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 13:05, archived)
# ooh
code optimisation!
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 13:08, archived)
# conversely
i'm a pacifish, and i was never smacked. i think the for/against-smacking argument misses the point, which is that kids copy their parents. discipline is not mistaken for angry violence, violence is not mistaken for discipline.
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Sat 5 Oct 2002, 12:29, archived)