doubtfulwould you let you kids be genetically modified?
Besides, i bet its illegal.
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:00,
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Besides, i bet its illegal.
One daywe will have the option to genetically modify ourselves. The mind boggles what Amon and Mr. Sanity will do with this option.
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:04,
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Ever seen Gattaca?at some time in the future, opinions are bound to change, and with an inevitable trend to space travel and colonies, mankind will change anyway...a few generations on the moon or mars, and those that were born there will never be able to walk on Earth under our gravity...we may even change ourselves to be better adapted to other environments. try and find a book called Man After Man, it's like an interpretation of what could happen, with all the genetics and things thrown in...
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:06,
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That assumes we'd be genetically evolving on the moon and mars at a significant speedwhich would mean people were dying in large numbers due to the effects of different gravity. I know the life of pioneers is hard, but it seems unlikely they'd put up with that.
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:10,
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no, no!humans require gravity / vigoras exorcise.
Its not just the next 2 generations of people who wouldnt be able to walk, but anyone who spent a year there! Mucles and bones degenerate quickly.
A feotus developing in another gravity would never get the bone or muscle strength to walk on earth.
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:15,
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Its not just the next 2 generations of people who wouldnt be able to walk, but anyone who spent a year there! Mucles and bones degenerate quickly.
A feotus developing in another gravity would never get the bone or muscle strength to walk on earth.
it would be possible for someone born in a lower gravity to walk on earthjust very difficult and tiring
maybe only possible with the help of a long flight through which they can slowly change the gravity to accustom the body to the increased strain
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:18,
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maybe only possible with the help of a long flight through which they can slowly change the gravity to accustom the body to the increased strain
yeah ....... it would be like us going into a 6g environment thoughI agree for people who saty there for a while,
not for people born there. Increasing bone density sufficiantly would be almost impossible, no matter how much you increase the musculature.
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:21,
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not for people born there. Increasing bone density sufficiantly would be almost impossible, no matter how much you increase the musculature.
hmm yeah i 'spose your rightwell i must say this thread is possibly the most intellectual debate we have ever had on b3ta
congratulations everyone
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:24,
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congratulations everyone
well, no...if you'd grown up your entire life with only 1/6 of the earths gravity, it would'nt have such an effect on your bones, so they would grow longer...if you got back to earth, it'd be like carrying five of you on your back...we wouldn't evolve per se, at least not in the short term, as evolution isn't a process with a goal...species don't sit there and think, "bugger, I need a longer neck, best get started for the grandkids...", its a eliminatory process. we've only got as far as we have today because all the bad genes as it were have been weeded out. With modern medicine, more bad genes are surviving, as you don't need good eyesight to hunt a kebab.
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:17,
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Not that I advocateculling anyone with a limp or glasses, but a few generations back, they wouldn't have survived. If we ever do end up back at that point, they're buggered. survival of the fittest...
I'm alright though...healthy, intelligent, can make fire with sticks, can build shelters, knows how to trap, and to make and hunt with bows and arrows...I'm gonna survive!
(I'm alright though...healthy, intelligent, can make fire with sticks, can build shelters, knows how to trap, and to make and hunt with bows and arrows...I'm gonna survive!
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:31,
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Haha. Yes.I will surive*.
My reading of books such as The stand, day of the triffids and so on will help me.
ARGH A TRIFFID
*dies.
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:35,
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My reading of books such as The stand, day of the triffids and so on will help me.
ARGH A TRIFFID
*dies.
An interesting point (and yes i have seen gattaca)But as for space travel etc; i really dont think mankind will do it for centuries and centuries. Theres no profit in going to the moon or mars (fuck, i wish it wasnt true).
Also, a situation like gattaca is unlikely - western society tends to leap at the first sign of descrimination to prevent it (these days anyway).
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:12,
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Also, a situation like gattaca is unlikely - western society tends to leap at the first sign of descrimination to prevent it (these days anyway).
Just look at america...the far right has a massive stronghold in some parts...they don't like gays, black people, anyone who is remotely coloured...I can honestly see that turning all Gattaca
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:23,
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good point. very good pointyou know they stopped teaching evolution in kansas because "god told them too"?
And one of the peoples whose the desicion was said "If we evolved from monkeys, how come there are monkeys around"? (to applause).
That explains exactly why people need to be taught about evolution!
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:33,
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And one of the peoples whose the desicion was said "If we evolved from monkeys, how come there are monkeys around"? (to applause).
That explains exactly why people need to be taught about evolution!
also, try to pick up The Science of Discworld...full of stuff like that...
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:39,
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One of my fave booksThe people who co-wrote it are supposedly from my Uni (my department, even), which is cool.
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:42,
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not gonna happenthats a dream from the sci-fi brains of totalitarian agriculturist mindsets, it can not work, and will not work
UNTIL we learn to live in harmony with our own planet, living as another species on it.
If we cant live down here without destroying our home, we have no chance up there on any planet whatsoever.
and a thought, if a small base does get built up there, and the planet turns to shite trying to do so, which elite few do you think will escape the burning earth?.. im guessing the elite that destroyed it in the first place.
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Sun 19 Jun 2005, 13:12,
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UNTIL we learn to live in harmony with our own planet, living as another species on it.
If we cant live down here without destroying our home, we have no chance up there on any planet whatsoever.
and a thought, if a small base does get built up there, and the planet turns to shite trying to do so, which elite few do you think will escape the burning earth?.. im guessing the elite that destroyed it in the first place.