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# what do you mean
we don't have a right to smoke?
of course we do
(I helped save b3ta! Aphex The Mink Snackless, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:42, archived)
# no you don't
it's in the ten commandments

YOU SHALT NOT HAVE A PUFF!!!


who does make up these so called "rights??"
(I helped save b3ta! The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:43, archived)
# Says who?
You?
(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:47, archived)
# who says we don't?
you??
(I helped save b3ta! The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:48, archived)
# European convention on human rights
Doesn't mention it
(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:51, archived)
# a lot of things are covered without being
mentioned specifically though.

and how do you know this anyway?
(I helped save b3ta! Aphex The Mink Snackless, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:53, archived)
# I've read it
(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:02, archived)
# this^
(I helped save b3ta! Aphex The Mink Snackless, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:52, archived)
# Rights are not granted by a government.
They are only ever taken away - hopefully for a good reason, such as preventing small children from driving.

The mindset that considers that you need government permission to do something is a dangerous one.

/liddle bit o' politics
(MSB Load universe into cannon. Aim at brain. Fire., Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:52, archived)
# Sensible thinking, that
But I think it might be better phrased as "Smokers don't have a right to smoke anywhere they want to"

Much like I think I should have a right to wander naked anywhere I want to, but apparently that's just not on!
(I helped save b3ta! The Neville What what what, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:11, archived)
# Or
"smokers are prohibited from exercising their freedom to smoke in location X because of reason Y".

I think if you look at a lot of the reasons given, they don't really hold up to scientific scrutiny or 'common sense'. A special smoking conservatory was shut down at my workplace because you can't smoke indoors anymore. Of course only people smoking actually went in there...

As for being naked, I think the Naked Protester guy is bang on the money. That the human body per se is illegal is fucking stupid. Clearly flashing kids etc. is something to be legislated against, being naked and just hanging out shouldn't be.

But I'm just an old skool Liberal. No-one listens to the like of me any more.
(MSB Load universe into cannon. Aim at brain. Fire., Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:55, archived)