
for you?
just wait till they ban something you like to do
it's the start of something much much bigger
and also, like a few peeps here point out
it forces a lot of parents to smoke only at home
in front of the kids
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just wait till they ban something you like to do
it's the start of something much much bigger
and also, like a few peeps here point out
it forces a lot of parents to smoke only at home
in front of the kids

but to not give anything back, no "designated smoking ares, no ash trays in public, it's wrong
what you going to do when they decide to ban drinking as
the only way to cut the cost of looking after hurt drunkards of a weekend?
it's already happening
first the warning labels
then the social outcasting
then the ban
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what you going to do when they decide to ban drinking as
the only way to cut the cost of looking after hurt drunkards of a weekend?
it's already happening
first the warning labels
then the social outcasting
then the ban

*but agrees with you*
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so you can't expect provision for it.
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or, in the same vein you don't have the "right" to drink
and yet my tax mney is still wasted every weekend scooping you wasted fools off the streets
patching your split heads back together
and feeding you breakfast after the fights you started :)
not YOU obviously :)
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and yet my tax mney is still wasted every weekend scooping you wasted fools off the streets
patching your split heads back together
and feeding you breakfast after the fights you started :)
not YOU obviously :)

If you have an issue regarding the cost of alcohol-related crime you can take it to your MP. The issue, I mean, not the crime.
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i don't want to stop people drinking
i don't want to stop people smoking
these are the the only pleasures of the working class
those that empty our bins and clean up our shit
soon they'l have nothing, and they'l come a knocking on our doors wanting to know why :)
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i don't want to stop people smoking
these are the the only pleasures of the working class
those that empty our bins and clean up our shit
soon they'l have nothing, and they'l come a knocking on our doors wanting to know why :)

I write to my MP quite a lot (well, email) and it does make a difference.
Managed to get someone off Death Row once. :D
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Managed to get someone off Death Row once. :D

i want to be able to smoke
but i can't
i've been repressed, and no-one can give me a good enough reason why
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but i can't
i've been repressed, and no-one can give me a good enough reason why

You don't know anything about repression.
Why can't you smoke outside?
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Why can't you smoke outside?

calling some ginger IS AS racist as calling a nigerian a coon
but it's all about who shouts loudest in this world
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but it's all about who shouts loudest in this world

as the important parties like to draw a distinction
personally I call the "rudeness due to genetic differences" to be one thing
but it's all about socially acceptable rudeness isn't it, as you say, those who shout loudest
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personally I call the "rudeness due to genetic differences" to be one thing
but it's all about socially acceptable rudeness isn't it, as you say, those who shout loudest

who do you depict commiting crime when you don't want to offend a minority?
a white hetro male
thanks for that, i don't mind really
of course i'm not a Ugandan Refugee
my life is pretty easy,
but who is commiting the genocide in our modern times?
i can't say, i might be called racist
where does all the red nose money go?
not to the people that need it, but to the corrupt in power
be they white black or whatever
it's not race against race, it's those with power agianst those without
and that's what a lot of people miss
yes there were black slaves, but there just as many white ones too
so why should we as a race appolagise for something
the elitist scum of yesteryear forced on ALL OF US?
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a white hetro male
thanks for that, i don't mind really
of course i'm not a Ugandan Refugee
my life is pretty easy,
but who is commiting the genocide in our modern times?
i can't say, i might be called racist
where does all the red nose money go?
not to the people that need it, but to the corrupt in power
be they white black or whatever
it's not race against race, it's those with power agianst those without
and that's what a lot of people miss
yes there were black slaves, but there just as many white ones too
so why should we as a race appolagise for something
the elitist scum of yesteryear forced on ALL OF US?

It's not about apologising for slavery.
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i don't care what the point is
i'm going to smoke :) catch me if you can!!!
*wheezes*
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i'm going to smoke :) catch me if you can!!!
*wheezes*

in a country with the highest child poverty in europe
is worrying about smoking the biggest problem on our government's list of things to do?
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is worrying about smoking the biggest problem on our government's list of things to do?

I just don't think the smoking ban is worth getting upset over.
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at the end of the day, as long as i'm not chased by riot squads for sparking up, i don't care
i wonder what will happen in other euro countries though
like the coffee shops of Amsterdam
banning smoking in those would be mental!
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i wonder what will happen in other euro countries though
like the coffee shops of Amsterdam
banning smoking in those would be mental!

then to actually deal with reality
and if you'll excuse me, I have to plaster my town with WHERE'S MADDIE posters
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and if you'll excuse me, I have to plaster my town with WHERE'S MADDIE posters

i like smoke free pubs
i just don't know if i like the fact that as a smoker, i couldn't open a smoking pub just for smokers
it's the having the choice taken away that's scary
even private clubs, where everyone pays to join
surely they should have last say what happens
if they smoke and you don't like it, don't join shirly??
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i just don't know if i like the fact that as a smoker, i couldn't open a smoking pub just for smokers
it's the having the choice taken away that's scary
even private clubs, where everyone pays to join
surely they should have last say what happens
if they smoke and you don't like it, don't join shirly??

the main factor that's never really mentioned in these arguments is that smoking is addictive, and the free will of the person saying they "want" to smoke is limited in that respect, so the argument becomes less "It's repressing my free will" and more "it's forcing me to come to terms with my addiction"
/blurts out some random words
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/blurts out some random words

And the argument about "it will force people to smoke at home in front of the kids" is also bollocks. The nature of the addiction is not such that if you smoke for an hour, you don't need one at home. If you smoke in the pub, then you already smoke at home...
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so have made it more difficult for you in the hope you will stop.
even though you ahve an easy access point to get to your lungs, i don't think the NHS wants to open you up again.
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even though you ahve an easy access point to get to your lungs, i don't think the NHS wants to open you up again.

so why just us??
why isn't macDonalds banned?
why isn't hard liquor banned?
it's one sided nonsense
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Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:59,
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why isn't macDonalds banned?
why isn't hard liquor banned?
it's one sided nonsense

you just can't do it exactly where you want to... and unfortunatley I think it's natural progression and probably has as much to do with the amount of money generated by smoking going down naturally as it has to do with government's concern with health issues... if you'd been sitting in your office, 20 years ago, 25, you could have had a smoke at your desk quite nicely
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push it any further and it will be illegal
illegal to do something as old as the human race itself
since we first discovered fire, we've smoked
and we've survived, we've lived on
but it doesn't fit the governments little view
of us all as battery hens, making sure they squeeze
every last tax drop out of my working bones
just so they can spend it on posh lunches in brighton
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illegal to do something as old as the human race itself
since we first discovered fire, we've smoked
and we've survived, we've lived on
but it doesn't fit the governments little view
of us all as battery hens, making sure they squeeze
every last tax drop out of my working bones
just so they can spend it on posh lunches in brighton

NHS spending due to smoking related illness outweighs taxation revenue. So, people die and taxpayers fund it.
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Think of the children.
Besides, the rules of the game have changed.
*bokes*
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Besides, the rules of the game have changed.
*bokes*

and the government which has been so strongly set against you throughout history has played a significant role in getting people to smoke, in the interest of the government at the expense of the people.
Also I don't think you can argue that smoking is as inate a human characteristic as, for example, making fire, music or whatever...
although apparently it is the reason why America speaks English rather than French or Spanish
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Also I don't think you can argue that smoking is as inate a human characteristic as, for example, making fire, music or whatever...
although apparently it is the reason why America speaks English rather than French or Spanish

If you eat McGonads or drink hard liquor in an enclosed space, it isn't going to affect anyone elses health.
If you smoke in an enclosed space, it will affect other peoples health. What gives you the right to inflict all the diseases associated with smoking on other poeple?
Smoke all you like, but don't force other people to smoke too.
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If you smoke in an enclosed space, it will affect other peoples health. What gives you the right to inflict all the diseases associated with smoking on other poeple?
Smoke all you like, but don't force other people to smoke too.

we don't have a right to smoke?
of course we do
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of course we do

it's in the ten commandments
YOU SHALT NOT HAVE A PUFF!!!
who does make up these so called "rights??"
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YOU SHALT NOT HAVE A PUFF!!!
who does make up these so called "rights??"

mentioned specifically though.
and how do you know this anyway?
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and how do you know this anyway?

They are only ever taken away - hopefully for a good reason, such as preventing small children from driving.
The mindset that considers that you need government permission to do something is a dangerous one.
/liddle bit o' politics
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The mindset that considers that you need government permission to do something is a dangerous one.
/liddle bit o' politics

But I think it might be better phrased as "Smokers don't have a right to smoke anywhere they want to"
Much like I think I should have a right to wander naked anywhere I want to, but apparently that's just not on!
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Much like I think I should have a right to wander naked anywhere I want to, but apparently that's just not on!

"smokers are prohibited from exercising their freedom to smoke in location X because of reason Y".
I think if you look at a lot of the reasons given, they don't really hold up to scientific scrutiny or 'common sense'. A special smoking conservatory was shut down at my workplace because you can't smoke indoors anymore. Of course only people smoking actually went in there...
As for being naked, I think the Naked Protester guy is bang on the money. That the human body per se is illegal is fucking stupid. Clearly flashing kids etc. is something to be legislated against, being naked and just hanging out shouldn't be.
But I'm just an old skool Liberal. No-one listens to the like of me any more.
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I think if you look at a lot of the reasons given, they don't really hold up to scientific scrutiny or 'common sense'. A special smoking conservatory was shut down at my workplace because you can't smoke indoors anymore. Of course only people smoking actually went in there...
As for being naked, I think the Naked Protester guy is bang on the money. That the human body per se is illegal is fucking stupid. Clearly flashing kids etc. is something to be legislated against, being naked and just hanging out shouldn't be.
But I'm just an old skool Liberal. No-one listens to the like of me any more.

But you don't have the right to drink it where you please.
Try buying some orange juice then trying to drink it in a clothes shop, or a cafe other than where you bought it.
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Try buying some orange juice then trying to drink it in a clothes shop, or a cafe other than where you bought it.


edit: certainly for the cost of having to get an ambulance out to look at a drunk and confirm they're not actually dying when some poor buger somewhere else is.
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Or we should burn them to provide heating for the ederly.
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And compensation to me for pissing me off.
At bloody half ten in the morning too.
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At bloody half ten in the morning too.

and that i pray i don't bump into a bunch of drunkards
who wouldn't say boo to a ghost sober, but would kick
two shades of shit out of me for a laugh when drunk
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who wouldn't say boo to a ghost sober, but would kick
two shades of shit out of me for a laugh when drunk

Blech! Sicko
Right, I'm off to get myself some sardines-in-tomato-sauce on toast (quite seriously)
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Right, I'm off to get myself some sardines-in-tomato-sauce on toast (quite seriously)

they do pay, though tax
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even if they are consenting.
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It's a darn sight more dangerous to a person's mental and physical health than tobacco (and that's saying something).
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this is what I've been saying to all the non-smoking drinkers who support this ban.. YOU'RE NEXT
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...but I've never became ill from passive drinking before.
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so they're sorted..
also - I think it's a good idea, it works well here in Scotland and you meet loads of cool smokey people when you stand outside 'avin' a faaag... although I smoke a pipe, so I'm shunned and laughed at by almost everyone
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also - I think it's a good idea, it works well here in Scotland and you meet loads of cool smokey people when you stand outside 'avin' a faaag... although I smoke a pipe, so I'm shunned and laughed at by almost everyone

due to all the smokers loitering outside of pubs?
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it's all complete rubbish.
Pubs are better now than they were before. Some people I know who wanted to stop smoking but couldn't have done now.
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Pubs are better now than they were before. Some people I know who wanted to stop smoking but couldn't have done now.

what is true is that without smoke all pub smell of piss and cooking fat
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it's not the start
the start is long long past started
this is just another notch on the bedpost that we have to lie on and be fucked off with
I forsee... "licenses" for everything, it'll happen
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the start is long long past started
this is just another notch on the bedpost that we have to lie on and be fucked off with
I forsee... "licenses" for everything, it'll happen

tiny flags for the rest of you.
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or don't be such a fucking selfish parent and force your children to breath in your smoke, you inconsiderate cunts.
and another thing, don't smoke in your god damn cars when your kids are in the back either. having the window slightly ajar doesn't mean your kids won't breath in the smoky fumes.
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and another thing, don't smoke in your god damn cars when your kids are in the back either. having the window slightly ajar doesn't mean your kids won't breath in the smoky fumes.

i quit way before thoretta was born, and before that i only used to smoke in the garden.
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i've been smoking solidly for 15 years and i haven't got cancer
occasionaly spending 15mins in a "smoky smelling room" will not kill you
well, no more than that shitty diesel van he turned up in in the first place
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occasionaly spending 15mins in a "smoky smelling room" will not kill you
well, no more than that shitty diesel van he turned up in in the first place

They're your lungs, do what you want. But recently I didnt drink/go out for over a week and when I was next exposed to cigarette smoke my eyes stung and my throat felt raw. That and my clothes and hair smelling of smoke are the two main reasons that I support the ban.
So if I was that TV repair man I would'nt be complaining about the cancer, just the stinging eyes etc.
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So if I was that TV repair man I would'nt be complaining about the cancer, just the stinging eyes etc.

Smokers don't seem to realise how awful cigarette smoke is. It makes a non-smoker's eyes sting, their throat feel tight (or sometimes even hurt), it triggers coughing and makes them smell like a burning rat's rectum.
Unfortunately, there's too many smokers who have no respect for those around them. If more smokers actually gave a damn about where and when they lit up, there would be no need for a ban. I just feel sorry for those who DO smoke responsibly.
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Unfortunately, there's too many smokers who have no respect for those around them. If more smokers actually gave a damn about where and when they lit up, there would be no need for a ban. I just feel sorry for those who DO smoke responsibly.

both the little kiddies were drinking coke and botht he parents were chugging away on fags over a pint.
Reminded me of the old days when everyone wasn't COMPLETELY FUCKING OBSESSED WITH LIVING FOREVER
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Reminded me of the old days when everyone wasn't COMPLETELY FUCKING OBSESSED WITH LIVING FOREVER

but i never drink when i'm with my daughter.
not in the pub, not at bbq's.
pisses the mother in law right off when she say 'i got some strongbow' and i say 'nah ta'
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not in the pub, not at bbq's.
pisses the mother in law right off when she say 'i got some strongbow' and i say 'nah ta'

Donno about you but I quite like the idea of still being fit and healthy when I clock 60+
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who grew up when smoking was actually good for you?
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but there are also hunners of them who have to breathe through a hole in their neck.
ninjad because people are unlikely to have more than one neck
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ninjad because people are unlikely to have more than one neck

please show the death certificates that say 'cause of death: passive smoking' on them
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but smoking does kill people
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who at 110 years old,still enjoyed smoking,and drinking!
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and eating high fat high sugar processed food... so that might be a factor
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It's about quality of life and not being an inconsiderate cunt to others.
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and don't give a shit, as they are in their own little world and well, let's just say it's part of what makes me see everything as fucking complete and total bullshit
but sigh :(
/fucking one shitty life experience after another blog
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but sigh :(
/fucking one shitty life experience after another blog



At least they're only banning things like smoking, communism, being jewish, and trade union membership.
Pffft. Wake me up when they're banning something that affects me.
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Pffft. Wake me up when they're banning something that affects me.

*still waiting for the joy of socks, with obligatory 70's beardage*
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*hungover after my final show blog

I'm going to 'woo' both pics and slip this in (NSFW audio):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYNgocAIzlE
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYNgocAIzlE

that'll never make it into Zoo so I wouldn't put a bigger tag on it which is harder to remove.
(most woosome)
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(most woosome)

'ning sir
hows the north of east anglia?
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Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:25,
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hows the north of east anglia?

apart fomr that, I'm grand m'lovely :)
Hope the same can be said for your good self!
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Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:26,
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Hope the same can be said for your good self!

and yes all is very good and well
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Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:27,
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fine me old mucker!!
i'm going to drink weasel under the table at lunch time!
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Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:36,
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i'm going to drink weasel under the table at lunch time!

I wouldnt mind a beer actually. Might pop down the shops and get a beer in a bit. 50p for a nice weissbier. *Profits*
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I thought that had happened ages ago?
/lives in Scotland and is "with the times" already
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/lives in Scotland and is "with the times" already

...they banned masturbation at your work desk, but I still do it.
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This is front-paged?
I really hope I've missed something ironic here.
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I really hope I've missed something ironic here.

I've only just seen it but its excellent and, as per most of Archies stuff, easily front page worthy. Whats your issue with it ?
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Thu 7 Jun 2007, 7:28,
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if anything I've got an issue with my perception of it. I just don't get it.
I do think that the standard of front-page material has slipped a lot since the introduction of the "I like this" link but that's a whole different thread.
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I do think that the standard of front-page material has slipped a lot since the introduction of the "I like this" link but that's a whole different thread.

American television show with Burt Reynolds 1977
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it was a film, not a television show. Spawned a couple of sequels, each worse than its predecessor.
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thickos.
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Thu 7 Jun 2007, 2:18,
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thus not getting into the 'discussion' at all :)
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I was determined that we wouldn't (because it is silly and pointless when no one ever smokes in church!) but having seen this I am very tempted to change my mind.
Permission to print this off?
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Thu 7 Jun 2007, 9:26,
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Permission to print this off?