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# Especially considering that Islam preaches peace:
25:63:

The worshippers of the All-Merciful are they who tread gently upon the earth, and when the ignorant address them, they reply, 'Peace!'




It's just that there will always be someone in any religion (or supposedly) that contorts and deforms the message to their own (usually politically minded) agenda. And those with no will of their own or those easily led types will be duped. But not everyone who has faith in something is mental. I'm CERTAINLY not.

I'm not trying to start the age old argument, but that kind of thinking really does get my back up.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:47, archived)
# Crusades, anyone?
(I helped save b3ta! NinjaBadger hides in the bushes and gives you TB., Fri 23 May 2008, 9:48, archived)
# Yes, all Christians are mad warlike bastards.
Especially the ones in the 21st century. Because we've got time machines and went back to join in.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:49, archived)
# As an atheist
I'm going to use mine to seduce Elizabeth I and become king of all England
(I helped save b3ta! emvee cruor deo cruoris, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:51, archived)
# Is it not quicker and easier to seduce
Liz II?
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:52, archived)
# oooh
*plans*
(I helped save b3ta! emvee cruor deo cruoris, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:55, archived)
# youll need to put on a corgi coat
she likes it doggie style
(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:57, archived)
# no thanks
we tried it once and it was shit. Fuckloads of people died.
(I helped save b3ta! Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:50, archived)
# I know
whoever planned that little saga holiday was a right mong.
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:51, archived)
# this definition is right up there with
Llamas being "some sort of fliddy horse"
(I helped save b3ta! Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:52, archived)
# hahaha
proper tealol
(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:54, archived)
# I'm still proud of that one.
For some inexplicable reason.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:55, archived)
# it's some of your finest work
(I helped save b3ta! Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:57, archived)
# the infidel reps were atrocious
(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:54, archived)
# It also mentions burning the unbeliever
and putting the heretic to the sword

mind you the Jewish and Christian holy books aren't a great deal better
(I helped save b3ta! emvee cruor deo cruoris, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:50, archived)
# So does that mean I'm mentally ill in your eyes, because I have faith?
I'm honestly curious.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:52, archived)
# depends on the faith.
I'm all for religion at a personal level, it's just organised religions and churches that seem to be the cause of people doing fuckittery and using god as an excuse.
(I helped save b3ta! Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:56, archived)
# I can't take responsibility for them.
But then I don't tar all atheists with the same brush, and there's plenty of fucking awful things commited by them.

Oh, I don't know. I just get a little fed up that because I choose to believe in something I get accused of being mentally ill, stupid or both, in some cases only so the accuser can feel a pat on the back from someone else (like all of the agreement that goes on here). It just seems... like schoolboy bullying to me. But then I suppose if the shoe were on the other foot I'd feel differently. And I DO have a preexisting massive persecution complex.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 23 May 2008, 10:00, archived)
# I've seen fewer people
trying to justify their decision to be a horriffic fucktard through atheism than I have trying to justify it through religion.

If I were in an arguing mood I'd dispute your use of "choose to believe". If you believe it (in a faith-related sense) then you do, no choice about it. Doesn't make it wrong of course.

but I'm not in an arguing mood, I'm in a kittens and hugs mood. Why don't we ever get kittens in the lab? It's always knives and shit. Can't hug that shit, it's bad for you.
(I helped save b3ta! Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Fri 23 May 2008, 10:04, archived)
# Bad choice of words, I'm half concentrating on something else.
And yes, actually, I did make a choice, to finally admit it to MYSELF. I've been surrounded by atheists in my circle of friends all my life, and to 'come out' to them WAS a choice. But not to choose to have faith, you're right there.

Some still won't talk to me. Their loss.

Edit: also I'm not saying I have all the answers. I'm not saying I've studied the Bible in humungous depth for years and years and years. I just want to stand up for myself, as nobody else will.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 23 May 2008, 10:07, archived)
# I demand you not have faith!*



*may be an imitation of mad super-atheists
(I helped save b3ta! Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Fri 23 May 2008, 10:11, archived)
# This is why I teach now.
There's marginally less knives in a classroom.
(I helped save b3ta! NinjaBadger hides in the bushes and gives you TB., Fri 23 May 2008, 10:09, archived)
# Would it be fair to say you pick the bits you like out of the bible?
I don't disparage anyone who has faith. It's those who try to force it upon me that I have trouble with.
(I helped save b3ta! NinjaBadger hides in the bushes and gives you TB., Fri 23 May 2008, 9:57, archived)
# you're not nuts though
er, I think

what am I trying to say?
(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:58, archived)
# I think you're trying to say:
I've...
had...
The time of my liiiiffffee....
and I Neeeever felt this way before...
(I helped save b3ta! Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Fri 23 May 2008, 10:00, archived)
# have you been going through my bins?
(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Fri 23 May 2008, 10:02, archived)
# not today, no
*sidles*
(I helped save b3ta! Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Fri 23 May 2008, 10:08, archived)
# To be perfectly honest, yes.
If there's

A) a rational and natural explanation

and

B) an irrational explanation that invokes the supernatural

anyone who plumps for option B) despite no supporting evidence is, to my mind, insane.

But then again, that pretty much sums up every female I know. Most of my relationship problems stem from the fact that I run from a purely logical standpoint and have difficulty understanding overly emotional "reasoning", or indeed, faith.
(I helped save b3ta! emvee cruor deo cruoris, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:59, archived)
# So you'd never risk your life to save a loved one?
That's overly emotional reasoning.

(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 23 May 2008, 10:02, archived)
# I dunno:
My personal value of my life = X
My personal value of loved one's life = Y

If X<Y then RUN TO THE FIRE.

This seems rationally emotional, rather than crezzy.
(I helped save b3ta! Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Fri 23 May 2008, 10:07, archived)
# Well, what Mockingbird said
but I've been told by many women that I'm too "reserved", to employ a euphemism.

And I just don't understand how there's any value in saying "this is impossible and there's no proof for it, yet I believe it anyway".
(I helped save b3ta! emvee cruor deo cruoris, Fri 23 May 2008, 10:13, archived)
# How is it impossible?
Improbable, certainly. But then so is winning the lottery.

I'm not trying to fight with you. I'm genuinely interested, although I didn't appreciate the sexism.

Also, there may be no 'value' in it to you, but then is that a viable excuse to throw around insults?
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 23 May 2008, 10:17, archived)
# Not trying to be sexist
None of my male friends have ever told me that I'm too emotionally reserved...even when I fail to muster a response to, say, an England penalty shoot-out. It's only the women in my life who seem to have a problem with it. Empirical evidence.

And I'm not trying to pick a fight, and I'm not trying to throw around insults, but to me insanity is characterised by believing impossible things to be true. I wouldn't insult you by saying "well, I think most people who have faith are insane but you're special", that would be dishonest. This is what I think. You asked, I'll tell you. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, but that's the way I roll. I do have friends who have faith and they know full well my feelings on the subject. Generally we talk about something else.
(I helped save b3ta! emvee cruor deo cruoris, Fri 23 May 2008, 10:26, archived)
# I agree,
I just do not think that there is an awfully large percentage of things which happen that fall into category A
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Fri 23 May 2008, 10:20, archived)
#
www.jesusandmo.net/2008/05/13/stop/
(I helped save b3ta! Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:51, archived)
# My Muslim neighbours spend all day shouting at each other
peace my arse


they make fucking excellent treacly Iraqi coffee though
(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Fri 23 May 2008, 9:52, archived)