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# Could someone explain
Why Madonna is famous?
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:23, archived)
# She used to be very talented and sexy
that all stopped about 1991
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:24, archived)
# Exactly when was she either?
I need specific examples.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:25, archived)
# But you don't like pop
so its pointless trying to explain it
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:26, archived)
# Justify my love is one of the best songs there is.
She had nothing to do with it.

And I have never, ever seen her be even remotely sexy.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:27, archived)
# She co-wrote it
with lenny Kravitz
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:32, archived)
# Hahahaha
Naomi Campbell "ghost" wrote her autobiography.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:35, archived)
# That doesn't make any sense
How do you ghost write your own autobiography?
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:38, archived)
# Ask Naomi
But I'd advise you to do so from behind some sort of protective screen.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:39, archived)
# She got her tits out a lot
Many people mistake this for sexiness.
(I helped save b3ta! durbster durbster.co.uk, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 14:14, archived)
# sexy?
Vogue video, dancing around in a man's suit.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:26, archived)
# Doing Holiday on TOTP
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:27, archived)
# When she looked like a Top Shop punk?
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:28, archived)
# You mean
her style that everyone else nicked?
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:35, archived)
# I don't
think that the punks nicked their style from Madonna, did they?

Being as, er ... they were there first?
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:38, archived)
# what?
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:39, archived)
# I'd hardly call lace gloves and crucifixes punk.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:42, archived)
# Anything's punk if you want it to be.
That's kind of what I liked about it.

But I see what you mean. I can't claim to be an authority on her wardrobe, other than noticing that in lieu of actually developing her own style, she simply directly lifted wholesale whatever took her fancy.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:45, archived)
# If anything I want to be is punk
then George 3rd also dressed in a punk fashion, as do I and as does any dog that wears a jumper.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:47, archived)
# Indeed.
Seen Adam & The Ants?
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:48, archived)
# Now there's a question I thought would never need asking of me.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:51, archived)
# Indeed.
Geddit?
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:54, archived)
# ^ this
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:27, archived)
# Aha, I knew you'd be sensible.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:30, archived)
# Nowt sensible about it, my little chick-a-dee :)
She looked great in that video.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:34, archived)
# No
She just looked like one of those freakish he-she beasts that claims to be transgendered or whatever.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:28, archived)
# OR Marlene Dietrich.
I suppose it's a matter of opinion.

Easy on the TG hate.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:30, archived)
# It's not. It's a matter of fact.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:30, archived)
# I beg to differ.
She's made millions out of people finding her attractive and talented, whereas your vitriol goes (as of yet) unpaid.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:31, archived)
# money doesn't equal truth
and it's all opinions which are equally unvarifiable and so equally valid.
(I helped save b3ta! arrangedletters, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:33, archived)
# Yes. That's what I just said earlier. He's the one that disagreed.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:34, archived)
# Millions of people read The Sun newspaper
Millions of people think Sarah Palin is attractive.

Millions of people voted for George Bush. For a second time.





No contest.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:34, archived)
# Yes, but your whole 'my opinion is fact' thing
is the bit I'm bristling about. You can't have it both ways. Either my opinion is as valid as your opinion, or neither is.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:35, archived)
# It's not my opinion.
It's scientific fact.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:37, archived)
# Like fuck is it.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:38, archived)
# It blummin well is.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:40, archived)
# I was avoiding this but sorry
you are just looking foolish. Nothing ever that is subjective can be fact. Give it up.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:43, archived)
# Really?
Honestly?

You mean - an opinion isn't SCIENCE(TM)?
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:48, archived)
# only my opinion
unless I'm wrong

which I'm not

:D
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 13:13, archived)
#
oh pur-leeez

Edit: You cite 2 examples of US stupidity, due to mass-market media manipulation.
Somewhat different from fact.

(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:36, archived)
# Lots of number one records.
I don't mind her music- I think it's damn good pop and has always been. She keeps up with trends as well, so never really going out of fashion.

That and she wanted to be. That woman gets everything she wants even if she has to shove her cigarette heel into someone's eye to get it.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:24, archived)
# Yes but I don't understand how.
I mean - Shirley Joe Public isn't that stupid?
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:29, archived)
# Look at this way
she got famous for DOING SOMETHING at a time when that took a lot of effort.

These days you only have to be on telly for 30 seconds and Heat want to interview you.

You might as well ask why Elvis was famous, cos thats what she's the female equivelant of
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:32, archived)
# Elvis had soul.
Elvis was good-looking.

Elvis was about at a time when fame was getting famous.

The only famous new band today is Clodplay.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:36, archived)
# Elvis was marketing just as cunningly as Leona Lewis
He didn't write his own songs

and in appeared in more shit movies than Madonna
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:38, archived)
# THis is true.
He still had soul, though.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:39, archived)
# Define soul.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:40, archived)
# *awaits Vagabond's answer with interest*
Hello schweetie xx :)
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:45, archived)
# Hello gorgeous!
xx
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:49, archived)
# The stuff Elvis had.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:50, archived)
# You're just fucking about now.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:52, archived)
# Um.
Yes. I have been all along. Sorry I upset you.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:57, archived)
# Well
What a waste of time
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 13:04, archived)
# Oh come on!
It's hardly like one can argue personal taste with any degree of sincerity!
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 13:07, archived)
# She sucked enough cock
Apparently back then if you sucked about 100 cocks then you got to record a number 1 song. She did this for quite a few of her hits. In the end people thought that she was good. Now she's famous.
(I helped save b3ta! bobzarkoff, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:44, archived)
# If that's true Jodie Marsh would be much more successful.
As it turns out, she didn't actually suck the cock of every single person that bought one or many of her records. So no.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:49, archived)
# What's the going rate these days?
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Thu 16 Oct 2008, 12:51, archived)