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# It's a pretty common tactic amongst property developers, particularly where there's a conservation area or any kind of listed building status getting in the way of things.
Past 15 years in Manchester it was like the blitz along the canals - about half a dozen listed canalside mill buildings a week were going up - all accidental, naturally, and all with outline planning consent for redevelopment as flats.

/suspicious blog

Oh, and gutted for your mate, but as long as there was no loss of life, like yer man up ^ there ^ says, it's only stuff...
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:33, archived)
# I wish I could gut alive the people responsible for destroying and removing listed buildings
there were some lovely old abandoned Luntic asylum buildings near us. The roofs were "accidentally" taken off and the buildings became unsafe, so they had to be pulled down.

Now, there is outline planning permission to build a massive retirement village, wich may mean the loss of some lovely woodland
(I helped save b3ta! bilbobarneybobs I'll be 14 in b3ta years soon., Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:39, archived)
# ...and they generally all have the tacit if not the active support of those supposed to be keeping them in check.
It's more expensive to refurbish an old building to modern standards than to flatten and build a new box, insurers and everyone else get jittery if a building is more than 25 years old, it's apparently "in everyone's best interests" to clear and redevelop as the preferred option.

Except for the small point that by doing so you are destroying the towns and communities in which people grew up, the iconic buildings that make a place home rather than just a crappy overspill estate somewhere, and filling up the landscape with poorly-build, unsightly monocultures of so-called architecture that will be falling down themselves it ten years time, let alone lasting another century as the older buildings had.

Grr. *bugbears*
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:45, archived)
# yup
look at all the money that went into this: www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2006/jun/25/architecture

when it could have gone into restoring this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barr_Hall

in fact, they're different councils, but the principle is the same

(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:53, archived)
# are there pictures???
i cant see them if they're there
(I helped save b3ta! Sir T. Skellington, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:55, archived)
#
Great Barr Hall, venue for meetings of the Lunar Society: www.lambarman.co.uk/assets/images/_50.jpg

The Public: www.bdonline.co.uk/Pictures/468xAny/y/o/k/Public_ready.jpg
(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:57, archived)
# {O_O}
(I helped save b3ta! Sir T. Skellington, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:00, archived)
# yeah its pretty common over here as well
listed buildings "mysteriously" getting unlisted and then within a few weeks burning down all accidental like....
(I helped save b3ta! TBL I posted this on, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:42, archived)
# They knocked down a beautiful old nestle factory in Aylesbury
to make room for some fucking nasty sardine-tin flats. I actually cried (I think that's really sad of me, but it was a beautiful building and such a shame to see it go).
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:46, archived)
# Aside from the fact that it was a *Nestle* factory?
*hides from swiss Lawyers pronto*
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:48, archived)
# The building didn't have a say in it's owners.
It really was beautiful. They could have done proper Manhattan style lofts in it, instead of tearing it down and building this monstrosity:

www.fairview.co.uk/images/uploaded/areas/buckinghamshire/delta/1.jpg
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:51, archived)
# they dont building em like they used to
:-(
(I helped save b3ta! Sir T. Skellington, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:53, archived)
# See also:
The Hoover factory, now defiled by *shudders* Tescos....
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:00, archived)
# wasn't criticising at all, pickle
merely railing against a company I hate.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:58, archived)
# You and I both, but I'm a bit of a slut for architecture that I like.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:03, archived)
# you'd like our office, then
an Art Deco listed building, complete with spiral ramp.
It's lovely.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:04, archived)
# Meep.
Is it 'Bring a Captain to Work' day yet?
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:10, archived)
# All you have to do is ask, lovely
*hugs*
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:11, archived)
# :D One day I'd love to see
it does sound amazing.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:19, archived)
# they've done it in liverpool
"a city with the most grade 1-2 listed buildings outside of London"....and they flattened half of the old graded warehouses, that were nicely converted into shops and café's (with charm) and built THIS consumerist nightmare of 10000000 sq feet of shopping "mall"
(I helped save b3ta! Sir T. Skellington, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:52, archived)
# Yeugh.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:53, archived)
# They did it to my old work local too, in the centre of London :(
It was a lovely old building :(
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:53, archived)
# Today they close the Astoria.
I might cry about that too.

No. I AM now doing so. FFS.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:55, archived)
# wow, I did not know this.
I have memories of the Astoria going back 25 years, and yes, I have been to G.A.Y. a number of times, big whoop, wanna fight about it? ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:57, archived)
# I'm not as old as youso my memories are fewer but just as important.
Sad day.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:58, archived)
# Don't fucking get me started on that!
2 of my fave gigs from the last few years were there, and it was my fave venue in London :(
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:58, archived)
# Same.
Well, that and the Palace.

No, no fucking 'Koko'. THE PALACE.

*sniffles*
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:00, archived)
# Oh well.
At least I got to see Elbow and My Morning Jacket there :D

My work had there christmas party at "Koko" a couple of years ago. I fell asleep on the back stairs :S
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:02, archived)
# shame isnt it?
(I helped save b3ta! Sir T. Skellington, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:56, archived)
# Aye,
it is happening more and more in the City. Bastards!
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:59, archived)
# I've not even clicked that link but bet you that's Paradise Street...
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:58, archived)
# part of it, but its gone right through,past water street.
its thought that it now takes up 1/4 of the city centre
(I helped save b3ta! Sir T. Skellington, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:02, archived)
# Again
you must consider what was there before ( very little if you are honest with yourself, I know the area well as our ship is berthed in Canning half-tide dock ) and the vast benefit such a place will have to the overall economy of the Liverpool area.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:00, archived)
# thats true, what was there you had to look for
im just saying "why knock it down to build lifeless cubes" when the buildings are structurally sound, and look better than anything that's been put there today...but that's alot of personal opinion... also woo to the choice of dock.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir T. Skellington, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:04, archived)
# To be fair
to the Manchester mill redevelopments ( I considered buying an apartment there, some of them are beautifully dine ) most of those buildings were in an unsafe condition to use as they were and wherever any building had any aesthetic value the developers did their utmost to at least retain the original fascia and features.
Speaking as a Manc and a builder I have to say that the mill redevelopments have been a huge boon to the resurgence of Manchester city centre.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:56, archived)
# manchester was regenerating so fast
it had to regenerate what it had already regenerated a few years before hand!
(I helped save b3ta! Sir T. Skellington, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 14:59, archived)
# hehe,
All I have to say on the matter is that the IRA were the best thing that ever happened to Manchester city centre.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:01, archived)
# God yes.
For the best part of a decade the civic leadership were begging them to come back and finish the job off!
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:16, archived)
# I have seen this done quite well
in Rochester, but I imagine that it was pretty pricey.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 15:04, archived)