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[challenge entry] Just how does he get people to do what he wants?

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(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Fri 18 Sep 2009, 16:32, archived)
# is he related to Dan Brown?
he also manages to hypnotise the masses into consuming his noxious bollocks
(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Fri 18 Sep 2009, 16:33, archived)
# hoho!
Very true!
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Fri 18 Sep 2009, 16:34, archived)
# No but Gordon's his uncle
(I helped save b3ta! Q4nobody, Fri 18 Sep 2009, 16:53, archived)
# I am fed up of his mods not allowing my comments on his blog.
The last one not allowed was 'Subliminal advertising was debunked in (the book) Quirkology, was it not?'

Kinda says it all really. All bollocks.
(I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Fri 18 Sep 2009, 16:41, archived)
# subliminal messages have been variously debunked by cognitive psychology
so it irritates me that he repeatedly refers to "subliminal".

It is bollocks. Science has shown this. I don't know why he doesn't refer to his techniques in real terms, be it priming, anchoring or whatever.
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Fri 18 Sep 2009, 16:58, archived)
# He is normally very quick to
dismiss people making money from the paranormal/alternative medicine brigade, but all he is doing is the same thing but with different means.

And yes, anchoring, presuppositions, sub modalities. Does he really think the public is really to thick to understand what the fuck he is doing.

He is becoming as bad as feckin John Edward, and the other lot of them. You dont see James Randi stooping as low and patronising his audience like this.

/rant
(I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Fri 18 Sep 2009, 17:04, archived)
# I think he's being cleverer than he's letting on.
The lottery show was a clear example of it, it was obviously a load of bollocks and that's not usually his game. I suspect there'll be a big reveal at the end of the series.
(I helped save b3ta! slight yoinks!, Fri 18 Sep 2009, 17:20, archived)
# Not to sure on that one :-(
(I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Fri 18 Sep 2009, 17:28, archived)
# I wouldn't go quite that far...
he's a smug cunt, but I don't see him quite as ethically corrupt as people like John Edward... he's like any other magician and lies repeatedly about how he achieves his tricks. His chat about hypnotism and NLP is all shite... hypnotism is an act, done with people who want to make pricks of themselves on stage, testing people for "suggestibility" is really testing people to make sure they're willing to make a cunt of themselves and follow his orders. They're not in any sort of trance, a huge factor in these things is people wanting to be there, wanting to believe they are in a trance and that he has control of them. The same will happen tonight I expect, people watching his show will want to believe and will perhaps be stuck to their chairs. The people who completely reject it will not.

I'm writing without thinking too much, as I'm on my way home. But, basically, he's just an entertainer, showman, magician, stage-"hypnotist". He may well be a psychology expert, but most of the "psychology" he mentions on his show is pseudo-science bollocks (eg. NLP) which, if people look into it, has received little or no support from empirical study.

Having said all that, I enjoy his shows, they're entertaining. I don't watch him to learn anything I don't already know, it just pisses me off when he suggests that his effects are achieved by pseudo-science techniques, rather than just not telling us anything, or just telling us how he's really doing it (I expect the Events shows will be explained at the end of the series, his transparent bollocks last week is just a delaying tactic for a big payoff at the end. I hope.)

"In the long run perhaps the heaviest cost extracted by neuromythologists is the one common to all pseudosciences—deterioration in the already low levels of scientific literacy and critical thinking in society." (Beyerstein, 1996)
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Fri 18 Sep 2009, 17:26, archived)
# I love his shows too,
and I do believe there is something there in the whole NLP thing. And his shows are normally great, so I cant really go off him on the basis of one bad do. I suppose the John Edward thing was a little harsh, but thats what he reminds me of at the moment.

And as for a payoff, I really really hope so to, other wise, he really has dissapeared up his own arse once and for all.
(I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Fri 18 Sep 2009, 17:32, archived)