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This is a normal post For me he's just a symptom of how bad other politicians are
Would he have got anywhere near the levers of power if it wasn't for the fact that the rest of the Labour party were hopelessly venal, corrupt and inept?

Whilst the Conservatives run the country into the ground with their own brand of self-serving ineptitude, we have ended up with a leader of the opposition who is behaving like a sulky 5th former who has joined a club just so he can be difficult.

He can't deal with opposing views, so either refuses to talk to the press "these people are bothering me" or his supporters scream "smear" when unpalatable truths emerge, like tacit support for murderers and racist, misogynist homophobes.

The way he and his shadow chancellor have tried to weasel their way out of offensive behaviour sadly marks them as just as bad as the rest of Westminster, yet people still think they are the saviour of democracy.

It's the same old illiberal liberal crap, you have every right to your opinion as long as I agree with it. If not, you are a bigot/racist/xxx-phobe (delete as necessary).

Harrumph.
(, Thu 24 Sep 2015, 13:01, Reply)
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I think that's why realist Labour supporters are in pieces over this. I don't think any of us thought Andy Burnham was the messiah, but what he was was "electable".

This is depressingly familiar to the situation John Smith inherited in 1992. He had deep and long experience of government and shadow government before his elevation and was able to steer the party to electability, with a programme that resulted in "new" labour and 13-years of government. If we'd turned left instead in 1992, we would now have experienced an uninterrupted 30 years of Tory rule.

Something that now looks depressingly possible, with at least 2020 lost and maybe even 2025 depending on how much damage the Corbynistas do to the party machinery in the meanwhile.
(, Thu 24 Sep 2015, 13:31, Reply)
This is a normal post T o me it looks a lot like
what might have happened if they'd let George Galloway anywhere near the controls.

What baffles me is that Galloway is denounced as a demagogue, yet Corbyn says a lot of the same things and gets lauded.
(, Thu 24 Sep 2015, 13:42, Reply)
This is a normal post That's just total rubbish.
A spunk mouthed pig's head could have beaten the Tories in 97.
(, Thu 24 Sep 2015, 15:28, Reply)
This is a normal post That's right - "NEW" Labour was a figment of my imagination.

(, Fri 25 Sep 2015, 12:55, Reply)
This is a normal post labour didn't have to be new to win is my point.
a spunk mouthed pig's head could have beaten the tories.
(, Fri 25 Sep 2015, 17:03, Reply)