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This is a normal post Here are some legitimate concerns about immigration that have nothing to do with racism for your next article/school report
1) Immigration benefits GDP and growth, but this has shown little sign of trickling down to everyone. Beneficiaries include big business who do very well from a bottomless supply of cheap labour. You only need a modicum of knowledge about economics to see how this probably causes wage suppression for low skilled workers.
2) We are building about 150k homes a year. Net migration is at 300k+. People born in britain are struggling with excessive house prices and rents. We are in danger of pricing our kids and grand kids out of owning their own home and the average age of first time buyers is rising constantly. Is it worth sacrificing our green belts for housing for the sake of perpetual economic growth? Or should we sleep 10 people to a 2-up, 2-down like our great grandparents did?
3) You need to earn above 27k to be a net contributor to the UK economy. We definitely need immigration for areas where we have skills shortages but we shouldn't be importing low skilled workers unless those roles can't be filled locally.

I'm still making up my mind about how I am going to vote, but people like you are only pushing people further to the right by screaming from the extreme left. Put a sock in it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post If you're wavering, have a word with your in-laws, they sound like very clever people to me.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'll canvas their opinion after tiffins on Saturday.

(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post I want tiffins.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post Tiffins will be bengali prawn curry, a chickpea curry, home made chapatis and some gujarati vegetarian bean thing that no one knows the name of but tastes amazing
Tiffins \o/
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hmm, I've never been sure about prawns in curry, but I'm still in.
Gaz me the address.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh, I don't share. Or play well with others.

(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post Have you been reading my primary school reports?

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post No, I'm going to wait for the film to come out :)

(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've cast Warwick Davies in the lead, and Noel Edmonds is making his directorial debut.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well, it sounds intriguing but not very diverse.
You should make Warwick do black face.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post Whoppi Goldberg is on the verge of signing up to play my mum.
She's black AND Jewish! In your face Harriet Harman!
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post If you are still wavering, consider these reasons:
Democracy: European ministers have less of a democratic mandate, and the UKs influence is small. There are many unelected bodies that have influence, and cost us a lot of money.
Laws: We surrender final arbitration to the European court, we always obey their decision, but we don't actually have to in the present structure. Most 'human rights nonsense' usually has a sound basis when you drill down through the Daily Heil bullshit, and a lot of it is interpretation of International conventions that would still be in place if we left.
Refugees: No change in or out; there would still be Syrians dying in the Med, and we would still take some.
Illegal immigrants on lorries, boats, smuggled etc. No change in or out.
European migrants: come to work here (very little evidence they come to scrounge benefits). Put up with multi-room occupancy and minimum wage. Usually send a lot home to Eastern Europe. This is the main 'problem'. Although they contribute to society, because a shit life here is a relatively good life for many of them, they drive down wages and drive up accommodation costs. The earnings do not therefore trickle down, but get exported to 'home'. Secondary effect of making multinationals and petit bourgeois rich off cheap labour.
UK migrant workers: Many UK passport holders live in Spain and claim UK pensions, benefits, travel back to use NHS etc. Because they don't contribute to tax here, they are a net burden that some studies put as high as double that of migrant workers (who, don't forget, are legal and pay tax; no change on illegals in or out)
The economy: we do a lot of trade with Europe. If we left, it is very likely the pound would fall. So what? our imports would get more expensive, but our exports would make more money for the UK economy. Unfortunately a lot of the UK economy is the financial services sector, which would have difficulties.
UK labour force. We are very well protected by European laws. The 'out' camp suggests the workforce would be more 'flexible' if we left, but all this means is diluting labour laws in the UK, increased use of zero hours contracts and the UK being able to do away with many of the European standards that have helped workers for years.
The rich: They have managed to divert the view from their tax affairs to petty minded xenophobia. We are all worried how to vote now rather than realising that the super rich will continue to avoid tax. They are based in predominantly BRITISH tax havens, and the tories are up to their necks in supporting them. If we leave, they will have even less regulation, and make it easier to throw up shell companies in European countries using them to trade back to us to pay even less tax.

All these arguments though are effectively selfish. What is best for mankind/ humanity may not be best for my wallet on a personal level. Overall, I think on this island we overlook just how integrated the mainland has become, for the betterment of many. I think the things we need to focus on for the future (climate change, fusion power, the rights of man) are easier to achieve as a united states of Europe, rather than standing on the sidelines wishing it was 1952 and we were all playing cricket on the village green.

Sorry for length, I wrote this as much to make my views clear in my own mind than any other reason!

TL;DR I'm in.
 (I helped save b3ta! da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Some interesting points... but one you mention there about labour laws really irks me with the remain campaign
They always claim without the EU we wouldn't have holiday pay, workers rights... blah blah. Now I can see the point with some of it, so that there isn't a race to the bottom with countries trying to make their labour the cheapest... but there is absolutely nothing that stops any party putting this stuff on a manifesto and then enacting it if elected.

If the concern is that we wouldn't get these protections without the EU, are they implying the public is too thick to vote for what's good for it, or the EU are enforcing policies that the UK electorate would never vote for and is therefore undemocractic?
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post "are they implying the public is too thick to vote for what's good for it"
Don't have to imply it, the evidence sits in Parliament right now.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 18:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post Christ
Someone on B3ta has actually taken the time to think about the Referendum.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hahaha

(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post RACIST!!!11!!1
*points*
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post so...
1) increase the minimum wage.

2) average household occupancy is about 2.3 (2011 census), so the shortfall isn't as big as you imply. Also if Brits would get out of that mind set that you have to make a huge profit every time you sell a house, then that would certainly help prices. But who's brave enough to do that?

3) increase the minimum wage.

Something to think about (and you can apply this to EU, or even to US-Mexico): rather than spend energy trying to stop people coming into your country, why not work to *improve* the standard of living in that country?
It'd be to everyone's benefit: people will be less inclined to move to the richer country, and it'll stop people complaining that the forrins are coming to take "our" jobs.
Sure, it's a long-term project with very little return at first, but isn't it worth it?
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think house prices are more determined by supply and demand and buy to lets.
I certainly agree that minimum wage needs to be increased to a decent living wage.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post regarding point 2
in addition, another problem is unwillingness/inability of old folks to downsize. This is not something that could or should ever be enforced but there could be some incentive for them to sell their 3 bed semi to a family - for example. But then we'd have to have some sort of society, altruism and community awareness - these human properties appear to all be in decline.

Anyway it'd be easier to coax the old cunts to move if the care system wasn't a total nightmare and the availability of wardened accomodation was higher. Maybe sorting that stuff out would free up a few houses.
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:43, , Reply)