EU Referendum article I wrote
I made this!
Pointing out how both sides are as shit as each other.
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 11:31, Share, Reply)
Second paragraph, equating concerns over levels of immigration with racism.
I need read no further. Grow up.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 11:33,
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Actually
It's reflecting that many people do see the issue in such a way (I've since added in a clarification that I disagree to make it clearer to those who may misinterpret it, though, so thanks!)
You may also have missed the red text that comes up when you click "reply".
I also wonder whether I should make it clear that I'm not British? Damned foreigners, coming over here, writing things...
Also, B3ta isn't exactly the place for an intricate political debate (which the article isn't and I know it isn't), it's a place for knob gags and fun, so we can all calm down and have a cuppa.
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:57, Share, Reply)
Reflecting?
Buy a dictionary.
And if b3ta isn't a place for 'intricate' (it's not necessarily wrong, but it is a poor choice of adjective) political debate, why did you post your adolescent musings on a political issue here?
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:22,
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Nothing wrong with the use of the word reflecting.
Any your opinion is your opinion and well done for having it. However, making a sweeping generalisation (such as calling something "adolescent musings") without any facts is exactly an example of what both campaigns are currently doing. Make your own mind up, but it's probably a good thing to do some research and not blindly form instant opinions. Nowhere in the article is there a direct urge for a vote either way.
And b3ta isn't the place for it - the internet is never the place for intelligent debate because of how people react without thinking, or reading red text that appears above text entry boxes on the reply page.
Either way, thanks for the feedback!
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:06, Share, Reply)
You are in desperate need of a sub editor.
Your discourse is cumbersome and laboured. You may get things technically correct, but stylistically it's not good, it doesn't ring true or sound natural. My rates are reasonable.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:56,
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Considering you know little of the many and varied uses of "reflect"
I think you may be overcharging if your services don't involve giving money to your clients, too.
Appreciations as always for the excellent and amusing feedback!
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:34, Share, Reply)
Appreciations?
QED
Using the present participle of reflect in that context is plain weird.
You could say 'It reflects...'
Or maybe 'It is a reflection of...'
But 'it's reflecting that...' is plain weird.
Top tip: the McDonald's advert says 'I'm lovin' it'. No one says this in real life. 'I love it' is what people say.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:42,
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Oh my goodness!
SOMEONE MADE A TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD!
PHONE THE POLICE!
PHONE THE HOUSEHOLD CAVALRY!
PHONE DAVID CAMERON AND JEREMY CORBYN!
WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN!
IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!
OH MY GODS!
HELP! SERIOUSLY THIS IS WORSE THAN A SHARK ATTACK WHILST BEING GANG-RAPED BY DOLPHINS AND HAVING A BLISTER ON YOUR LITTLE FINGER AT THE SAME TIME!
Or, have a good day, sit down, calm down and, as always, thanks for commenting!
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Where does one sign up for the dolphin thingie? I'm asking for a friend.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 19:35,
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There's a special waiting list.
And it's invite only, sorry.
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 22:16, Share, Reply)
Actually
B3ta sees some surprisingly nuanced political debates - some of which are completely devoid of phallic jokes and fish puns.
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:54,
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You fucking pair of virgins
oxymoron
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Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:17,
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Your mum
has
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:22,
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That is true, that is very true
But people seem to be taking a very angry stance about a piece of fluff writing I did for free, which is strange. Internet debates so often go downhill when people vent their anger. Mind you, I'm getting a lot of interesting feedback and quite a few giggles, which is why I love b3ta.
I really wish I cod think of a fish pun, though...
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:14, Share, Reply)
I'm voting based on my limiting understanding of economics.
Your sweeping statement that the issue is solely based on racism, and the majority of those voting out are racists, is a patronising load of shit. You may have written about broader issues later, but TL:DR. The first few paragraphs appear woefully ill-informed, and as you acknowledge very biased.
You write "There is nothing so dangerous as an ill-informed voter" - well it looks like "From a place of ignorance" is an apposite title for your tawdry rag.
Go back to lurking.
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Varmint, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 11:59,
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Harsh
Also: Fair.
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Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 12:13,
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Indeed
Better said than mine.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 12:30,
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I read the whole thing. You really didn't miss anything. Ill informed sweeping generalisations, and a massive over-simplification of the history of Europe.
I'm voting IN, but it makes me ashamed to be on the same side as sucha cock as this bloke.
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da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:27,
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You're sweet to say so.
I'm genuinely pleased that you think that to say I gave a "massive over-simplification of the history of Europe" is a criticism, considering the lead in to that section is: "With the clarification that this is massively simplified". Thanks for reading!
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:10, Share, Reply)
Well...
It's reflecting that many people do see the issue in such a way (I've since added in a clarification that I disagree to make it clearer to those who may misinterpret it, though, so thanks!)
You may also have missed the red text that comes up when you click "reply".
I also wonder whether I should make it clear that I'm not British? Damned foreigners, coming over here, writing things...
Also, B3ta isn't exactly the place for an intricate political debate (which the article isn't and I know it isn't), it's a place for knob gags and fun, so we can all calm down and have a cuppa.
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:57, Share, Reply)
Reflecting?
Buy a dictionary.
And if b3ta isn't a place for 'intricate' (it's not necessarily wrong, but it is a poor choice of adjective) political debate, why did you post your adolescent musings on a political issue here?
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H.B.Mupps, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:48,
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Do you really have a mind of your own?
Because this is a copy paste of a cooment made by someone else and I've addressed it. Calm down, and thanks for "your" contribution!
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:52, Share, Reply)
I know right?
What kind of cunt would copy and paste the same reply twice in a single thread?
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:59,
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I would say, rather gently:
That posting your own comment again from your own account in answer to the same issues is fine, but if it comes from a different account it's a different issue (would you like it if somebody copied your painting and passed it off as their own?).
Anyhow, I'm sure you've got to be angry elsewhere too, so thanks for commenting!
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:36, Share, Reply)
So, my comment doesn't even warrant an individual reply? You just cut and paste your response to Prufrock?
You lazy bastard.
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Varmint, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 18:17,
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I could tell that just from reading your article.
Edit: (why not edit your response above, eh? Make it look like your idea? Twat)
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Varmint, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 22:19,
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Not only are you a lazy cunt 'n' paste slob
You even went back and edited your previous response to make it look like it was a self-depreciating joke.
You are fucking useless. Fuck off.
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Varmint, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 23:38,
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Get To Fuck.
It's lazy thinking like that which has lost labour so many voters over the years.
BTW this was about the second paragraph. The rest of your writing may be fried gold but couldn't read any more.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 12:21,
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Actually it's rabid labour supporters, a 70s throwback marxist leader and awful policies
that have lost so many Labour supporters over the years.
It's now just a party of extremist nutters and unemployed northerners.
Abandon the middle ground and you lose the electorate.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 12:29,
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marxist leader? I wish
Nah he's just a broken meat puppet now who's well out of his depth.
Just wish Tony Benn was still around to rally the eurosceptic left rather than have a couple of Torys do it.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 12:33,
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Agreed, also Labour is in serious deep shit if the vote goes to remain
I predict whats left of their core working class vote will abandon them leaving them with the middle class left which won't be anywhere near enough to win anything.
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Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 22:21,
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I don't vote labour
So I'm not that fussed. I've reclarified that paragraph to make it clear that that isn't my view, but I have done my research and there's a lot of right-wing facebookers and twitterers and so on who view it that way. Thanks for the feedback, and I'm sorry that Corbyn isn't king yet!
Also, "If you don't like it, don't say anything" is written in red above the reply box. The article is pointing out how both sides are making sweeping remarks, such as "Get to fuck". Thanks for the feedback though, it's been helpful!
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:01, Share, Reply)
Load of bollocks
You are the disease that has fucked over the left in this country, seeing racism everywhere, abusing the word. So I read no further
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Jahled Three shades of black, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 12:27,
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Here are some legitimate concerns about immigration that have nothing to do with racism for your next article/school report
1) Immigration benefits GDP and growth, but this has shown little sign of trickling down to everyone. Beneficiaries include big business who do very well from a bottomless supply of cheap labour. You only need a modicum of knowledge about economics to see how this probably causes wage suppression for low skilled workers.
2) We are building about 150k homes a year. Net migration is at 300k+. People born in britain are struggling with excessive house prices and rents. We are in danger of pricing our kids and grand kids out of owning their own home and the average age of first time buyers is rising constantly. Is it worth sacrificing our green belts for housing for the sake of perpetual economic growth? Or should we sleep 10 people to a 2-up, 2-down like our great grandparents did?
3) You need to earn above 27k to be a net contributor to the UK economy. We definitely need immigration for areas where we have skills shortages but we shouldn't be importing low skilled workers unless those roles can't be filled locally.
I'm still making up my mind about how I am going to vote, but people like you are only pushing people further to the right by screaming from the extreme left. Put a sock in it.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:08,
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If you're wavering, have a word with your in-laws, they sound like very clever people to me.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:21,
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I'll canvas their opinion after tiffins on Saturday.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:08,
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Tiffins will be bengali prawn curry, a chickpea curry, home made chapatis and some gujarati vegetarian bean thing that no one knows the name of but tastes amazing
Tiffins \o/
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:21,
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Hmm, I've never been sure about prawns in curry, but I'm still in.
Gaz me the address.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:29,
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Oh, I don't share. Or play well with others.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:04,
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Have you been reading my primary school reports?
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:03,
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No, I'm going to wait for the film to come out :)
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:16,
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I've cast Warwick Davies in the lead, and Noel Edmonds is making his directorial debut.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:20,
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Well, it sounds intriguing but not very diverse.
You should make Warwick do black face.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:30,
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Whoppi Goldberg is on the verge of signing up to play my mum.
She's black AND Jewish! In your face Harriet Harman!
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:53,
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If you are still wavering, consider these reasons:
Democracy: European ministers have less of a democratic mandate, and the UKs influence is small. There are many unelected bodies that have influence, and cost us a lot of money.
Laws: We surrender final arbitration to the European court, we always obey their decision, but we don't actually have to in the present structure. Most 'human rights nonsense' usually has a sound basis when you drill down through the Daily Heil bullshit, and a lot of it is interpretation of International conventions that would still be in place if we left.
Refugees: No change in or out; there would still be Syrians dying in the Med, and we would still take some.
Illegal immigrants on lorries, boats, smuggled etc. No change in or out.
European migrants: come to work here (very little evidence they come to scrounge benefits). Put up with multi-room occupancy and minimum wage. Usually send a lot home to Eastern Europe. This is the main 'problem'. Although they contribute to society, because a shit life here is a relatively good life for many of them, they drive down wages and drive up accommodation costs. The earnings do not therefore trickle down, but get exported to 'home'. Secondary effect of making multinationals and petit bourgeois rich off cheap labour.
UK migrant workers: Many UK passport holders live in Spain and claim UK pensions, benefits, travel back to use NHS etc. Because they don't contribute to tax here, they are a net burden that some studies put as high as double that of migrant workers (who, don't forget, are legal and pay tax; no change on illegals in or out)
The economy: we do a lot of trade with Europe. If we left, it is very likely the pound would fall. So what? our imports would get more expensive, but our exports would make more money for the UK economy. Unfortunately a lot of the UK economy is the financial services sector, which would have difficulties.
UK labour force. We are very well protected by European laws. The 'out' camp suggests the workforce would be more 'flexible' if we left, but all this means is diluting labour laws in the UK, increased use of zero hours contracts and the UK being able to do away with many of the European standards that have helped workers for years.
The rich: They have managed to divert the view from their tax affairs to petty minded xenophobia. We are all worried how to vote now rather than realising that the super rich will continue to avoid tax. They are based in predominantly BRITISH tax havens, and the tories are up to their necks in supporting them. If we leave, they will have even less regulation, and make it easier to throw up shell companies in European countries using them to trade back to us to pay even less tax.
All these arguments though are effectively selfish. What is best for mankind/ humanity may not be best for my wallet on a personal level. Overall, I think on this island we overlook just how integrated the mainland has become, for the betterment of many. I think the things we need to focus on for the future (climate change, fusion power, the rights of man) are easier to achieve as a united states of Europe, rather than standing on the sidelines wishing it was 1952 and we were all playing cricket on the village green.
Sorry for length, I wrote this as much to make my views clear in my own mind than any other reason!
TL;DR I'm in.
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da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:52,
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Some interesting points... but one you mention there about labour laws really irks me with the remain campaign
They always claim without the EU we wouldn't have holiday pay, workers rights... blah blah. Now I can see the point with some of it, so that there isn't a race to the bottom with countries trying to make their labour the cheapest... but there is absolutely nothing that stops any party putting this stuff on a manifesto and then enacting it if elected.
If the concern is that we wouldn't get these protections without the EU, are they implying the public is too thick to vote for what's good for it, or the EU are enforcing policies that the UK electorate would never vote for and is therefore undemocractic?
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:07,
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"are they implying the public is too thick to vote for what's good for it"
Don't have to imply it, the evidence sits in Parliament right now.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 18:29,
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Christ
Someone on B3ta has actually taken the time to think about the Referendum.
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Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:08,
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so...
1) increase the minimum wage.
2) average household occupancy is about 2.3 (2011 census), so the shortfall isn't as big as you imply. Also if Brits would get out of that mind set that you have to make a huge profit every time you sell a house, then that would certainly help prices. But who's brave enough to do that?
3) increase the minimum wage.
Something to think about (and you can apply this to EU, or even to US-Mexico): rather than spend energy trying to stop people coming into your country, why not work to *improve* the standard of living in that country?
It'd be to everyone's benefit: people will be less inclined to move to the richer country, and it'll stop people complaining that the forrins are coming to take "our" jobs.
Sure, it's a long-term project with very little return at first, but isn't it worth it?
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admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:54,
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I think house prices are more determined by supply and demand and buy to lets.
I certainly agree that minimum wage needs to be increased to a decent living wage.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:17,
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regarding point 2
in addition, another problem is unwillingness/inability of old folks to downsize. This is not something that could or should ever be enforced but there could be some incentive for them to sell their 3 bed semi to a family - for example. But then we'd have to have some sort of society, altruism and community awareness - these human properties appear to all be in decline.
Anyway it'd be easier to coax the old cunts to move if the care system wasn't a total nightmare and the availability of wardened accomodation was higher. Maybe sorting that stuff out would free up a few houses.
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Sigh
"as far as many are concerned the 24th of June is exactly when we'll find out exactly how racist the country is, given that those voting to leave are, in a vast majority, declaring they wish to stem the tide of immigrants flowing into Britain."
If you think anyone who worries about immigration is automatically a racist, you're a bit thick. And if you're a bit thick, I don't really care what you think about a complex political situation which I'm not really sure I understand myself.
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:39, Share, Reply)
I've reclarified it,
As that isn't my view but it is the view of many, you only have to do a little research to discover that. Thanks for the feedback!
(, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:03, Share, Reply)
If it were clear in the first place, it wouldn't need reclarification.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:41,
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That's true.
I posted the article as a draft and it was made live by another member of FPI. Anyhow, I'm sure that the weight of your knowledge is a heavy burden to bear in a world filled with those who are beneath you (which from your attitude seems to be everyone with a different viewpoint).
Mind you, you could consider how angry you appear, I thought you'd like to know it's giving us a good laugh at FPI. Thanks, as always, for commenting!
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I am sitting here in America with my bible, guns and homophobia simply aghast at how racist you English types are.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:59,
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All the best rock music comes from England.
Except The Who, who are paedos.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:20,
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You really know how to hurt a guy.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:31,
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I'm going to stick to writing about jRock
fuck this politics stuff. no patience for it/
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