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This is a normal post I love the way
the EU argument has been polarised into calling opponents racist and making Farage look a dick. If the EU camp had pointed out a few good reasons for staying I'm sure they would've won.

I've only heard 3 reasons from various people for staying in the EU:
1. "My pension fund will go down."
2. "LED light bulbs"
3. "We're consuming resources at a fantastic rate and need to colonise other planets. The EU is the best way of achieving this."
 (arch_stanton, Mon 20 May 2019, 20:03, , Reply)
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4. 3RD WORLD WAR!!! for some fucking reason.
 (I helped save b3ta! After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Mon 20 May 2019, 20:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post Beware - you're playing into the hands of the Brexiteers.
like an emotional penis.
 (arch_stanton, Mon 20 May 2019, 21:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post How about:
Because it will fuck up supply lines for important medicine?
Because the pound will plummet and obliterate our tourism industry?

Or do problems all just get brushed under the "project fear" carpet?

Edit. Or maybe, "Brexit has shown what a bunch of self serving wankers there are on both sides of the house, and the less control they have compared to relatively neutral EU ministers, the better?"
 (I helped save b3ta! Thrill_My_Chinchilla is old and unimproved, Mon 20 May 2019, 21:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post "relatively neutral EU ministers"

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Mon 20 May 2019, 22:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post Compared to just about the entire Tory Party.
And a large chunk of the other major parties, but the Tories are money grabbing cunts, practically by definition.
 (I helped save b3ta! Thrill_My_Chinchilla is old and unimproved, Mon 20 May 2019, 22:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post The only reason supply lines will be disrupted
"If the EU camp had pointed out a few good reasons for staying I'm sure they would've won."

That's all they had to do. That's all you need to do.
 (arch_stanton, Mon 20 May 2019, 23:11, , Reply)
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"I love the way the EU argument has been polarised into calling opponents racist and making Farage look a dick"

only if you read commentary and analysis no more sophisticated than the fucking Sun. Most opponents of Brexit see enormous negative consequence in breaking a complex series of multilateral agreements in everything from product safety to reciprocal sales tax, with pan-european organisation to manage them with economy of scale, and instead resorting to some ridiculous fantasy of go-it-alone nationalism, where almost everyone of those agreements will eventually need to be renegotiated from a position of weakness, because most of them Britian was in favour of because it was in our interest, if not the architect of. And that the number one issue of Brexiters, freedom of movement, had some merit back in the 90s if you were in low-skilled trade that didn't require language skills, but makes less sense now where the trend for the three years before brexit was reducing numbers of Poles in Britain as the polish economy modernised and now provides a decent market for british and european goods and is buffer against Russian influence, exactly the motivating factors behind allowing them entry. Or that where once post-war Britain led the way in human rights and equity, in recent years the pendulum has swung. Compare the European Charter on Human Rights with the tories Snoopers Charter (Investigatory Powers Bill ). One guarantees a right to privacy, the british one allows bulk data collection and inspection by multiple third party agencies without warrant. Or the EU anti-monopoly success against sony and microsoft. Do you think Britian has the power or political will to stand up to these multinationals as the EU did?
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 20 May 2019, 22:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Or listen to the EU, or its supporters
"If the EU camp had pointed out a few good reasons for staying I'm sure they would've won."

That's all they had to do. That's all they still need to do. Given the resources they have to hand it should be quite easy really.
 (arch_stanton, Mon 20 May 2019, 23:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post they made good, reasoned and articulate arguments against brexit, they were everywhere I looked, as did almost all independent commenters of any standing and economic institutions who attempted to model the outcome
But it was all "project fear", wasn't it? Better not to engage with it. Like when people tell you the Shroud of Turin is fake, that's really Satan talking through them. They weren't listened to then. they're not being listened to now. Brexiters will find a weak bit of pro-EU political satire like the above and pretend that's the sum of counterarguments. It's little different to project fear
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 21 May 2019, 1:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post This, fucking this
If you think arch listed all the problems with brexit you are too dumb to be allowed to breathe unsupervised.

I think Project Fear steals the high ground from Project Dumbfuck
 (I helped save b3ta! simbosan liked your link on, Tue 21 May 2019, 2:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post That and project dumbfuck never pointed out that most of the controls they were campaigning for we already had, but never chose to implement.

(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 21 May 2019, 13:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post If its all about economic arguments
Why do we hand over legal decision making to the ECJ?

Lets just have a free trading area and agreement. Why mandate a unifying currency that quite frankly just doesn't fucking work. Lets not have the international embarrassment and corrupt Juncker as 'President'.

No-one predicted that Greece would go to shit when it joined the EU. Where were you fucking smart arse predictors then? What about Italy? Where have the EU financial controls been? What makes anyone on this planet think the EU is fit for purpose for undertaking financial governance?

Where is this EU fucking master-plan for the future that you bunch of bastards all seem to be so knowledgeable about - No-one whatsoever has said yeah this is where the EU is going and this is an analysis of where we end up. If the end conclusion is a European superstate, fucking well say it out loud and lets discuss it.

That's the real fear, project or otherwise. An executive that controls our country, isn't any good at it and doesn't give a shit about our interests.
 (arch_stanton, Tue 21 May 2019, 20:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post You talk like trump

(I helped save b3ta! simbosan liked your link on, Tue 21 May 2019, 20:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post *throws milkshake*

(I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Tue 21 May 2019, 22:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Tarrifs
Tariffs will make my raw materials more expensive to buy. I did buy some from British steel but because of Brexit they might not be around any longer.
My finished parts will become more expensive to export. I cannot absorb my raw material costs and I can't reduce my part cost to compensate for export tariffs.
So the price of my goods go up, I am already competing against low wage countries and this might be the thing that makes me un competitive.

How's that for a reason?
 (BiggestNizzy your company name here pm for rates., Tue 21 May 2019, 9:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post They don't want real reasons
They want reasons that they can understand
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 21 May 2019, 10:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post dont worry it's just a short term economic impact
y'know 50 yrs maybe no biggie
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Tue 21 May 2019, 11:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post Brexit caused the decline of British Steel?
What, have you lived in a time-warp for the last 40 years?

Had it crossed your mind that you may get steel imported from elsewhere cheaper into the UK as you wont have EU import tariffs?

Jesus the steel market has been in crisis due to over-production for ages - these chaps tend to chat about it a fair bit. www.eurofer.org/News%26Events/Press%20releases.itpl I sympathise with any business issues you have but christ steel prices are more affected by Chinese consumption than Brexit (https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/steel).

Next - Brexit caused the decline of British Shipbuilding, the car industry (thanks EU for arranging a trading deal with Japan instrumental in shutting the Swindon plant, favouring Germany and France) and the reason why you cant spell tariffs.

Brexit is going to be a pain in the arse, but compared to the predictable clusterfuck of staying will be well worth it.

 (arch_stanton, Tue 21 May 2019, 20:22, , Reply)
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'the EU argument has been polarised into calling opponents racist and making Farage look a dick'

are you simple?
 (Enron Hubbard had a big meaty piss on, Tue 21 May 2019, 10:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post Bit off topic but...
Anyone who has done a change management course, or who understands goal-oriented planning, answer a simple question:
Where would you like the human race to be in 100 years?
If the answer is a united people with a level population and science solving our problems so we can explore the planets in peace, then work back from that goal to today.
Can you visualise a step between now and that future that involves isolationism, walls, separatism, nationalism or religious extremism?
 (I helped save b3ta! da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Tue 21 May 2019, 20:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post they're not interested in the future, Brexit is a fantasy where you can return to some idealised past

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 21 May 2019, 22:42, , Reply)