do you actually listen to yourself?
it's like saying Leo Sayer's tour of the US in the 80s legitimised the Iran Contra affair. His singing about loving you more than he can say rings hollow when you think about the Nicaraguan death squads. it's preposterous
burrs's doing a comedy gig there, the place is full of british expats working there anyway like half the gulf states, it's not north korea, and frankly I think them seeing a bit of western humour is a good thing and might even iberalise the place a smidgen if that actually was the goal rather than the internet sanctimonycancelgasm that seems to be what most are chasing.
if you want them to be less backward and more secular, boycotting them is such a stupid idea. You should be bombing them with our culture. Im not that fussed, myself. I like variety and I find the ragheads mostly decent chaps and I reckon all that waking up early to kiss the rug makes them mellow. I'm more worried about the chinese and their dystopian social credits bigbrother headfuck, but I don't seem too many turning down all the cheap shit and there's no upvotes to be had taking a stand on social media against them like there is about a us comedian however indirectly responsible he is for murdering journalists.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 2 Oct 2025, 16:42,
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Glad you got that off your chest
My point was bill burr specifically goes on about how we should all be excellent to each other, corporations and geeks running Facebook etc are all awful people crushing the working man and being unfair and super greedy and dividing everyone. ie being awful is bad and he's not like that.
He has been employed there directly by the Saudi royal family. You know the dictators with all the torture, draconian religious rules, woman can't drive etc. And probably paid an outrageous amount of money.
Then goes on his podcast and gushes about how lovely everyone was there, in that suspicious manner broadcasters and VIPs (also being paid+++) do at the boxing events.
It's hypocritical.
Leo sayer was not employed by ollie north, your example doesn't make sense.
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Bill burr makes the point himself better than me
youtu.be/PECQihXJb_g?si=xrSa1U5DY9QfdxPQ
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'You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.'
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Thu 2 Oct 2025, 21:51,
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Every man has his price and the incorruptible man has the highest price of all.
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I don't think that word means what you think it means
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Fri 3 Oct 2025, 2:43,
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I've always thought that line wasn't as deep as it sounds
You either die a hero. Or you die a villain.
...or be a hero, become a villain, redeem yourself and then either die a hero.....or fall off the wagon yet again and die a villain. And maybe after you die a revisionist historian debates 'the greater good' etc and you get viewed as on balance a hero in some circles.
... but it is a great line.
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That description
sounds like you are describing the average career of a politician
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Fri 3 Oct 2025, 19:46,
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You either die a hero
Or live long enough to die of autoerotic asphyxiation
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Wait, I know this one
It's either David Carradine or Micheal Hutchins.
I'm edging towards David Carradine though.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Fri 3 Oct 2025, 23:49,
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I respect your use of the word edging
You go up a peg in my estimations
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accusing burr of hypocrisy is a bit of a step down from saying he's legitimising murder
I don't know, maybe he is a hypocrite, I don't follow him that closely. I thought he was just a comedian but he obviously doesn't meet your high standard of ethical purity.
But he probably said he had a nice time and was treated well because he was, as they're not these manichean baddies you think they are. I know you have this laundary list of outrage. The US renditioned 1000s of people for torture, which also seemed quite a bad thing to me at the time, but at least they let women drive so we won't cancel anyone who has the temerity to visit.
But the human rights aside, it sound like Burrs thinks billionaire are an issue in our society, which while not funny is something I agree with. So you're saying he shouldn't attend saudi's first international comedy festival, which is what it is rarther than some private gig on the Salmon's superyacht, because as the saudi ruling family are super rich and it has royal backing which is exactly what you would expect in an autocratic kingdom, this makes him a hypocrite . is that the reasoning? Fine, I guess. though it's a little Louise Mensch www.youtube.com/watch?v=3252FSW7OC4
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 3 Oct 2025, 6:47,
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What is the issue regarding Billionaires?
Wealth inequality has been a thing since the dawn of man and arguably necessary for a functioning economy since we're all too selfish to make true communism or socialism work. Most of the arguments against Billionaires seem to boil down to 'It's not fair, though', which isn't exactly compelling.
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no you're right, it's because it's not fair. fairly simple, ay?
this vid probably sum it up www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM
but basically the huge shift in our society since the mid 20th century has been for the wealth of the super rich to fly of into the sunset to unimaginable levels, while wealth and living standards of the bulk of people, the middle clas,s has been going down. I. as you might have gathered, am not a billionaire. I wish people voted for policies that favoured themselves and a society where having a normal job still afforded having a decent life, but instead many seem to cheerlead billionaires like some sort of stockholm syndrome and save their energy for the important things like cancelling comedians if they're on the left or trans if they're on the right
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sun 5 Oct 2025, 1:41,
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I do apologise.
But the basic premise of that video still appeared to be 'It's not fair'. I'm clearly just not getting it, sorry.
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i think your issue might be comprehension
I just said that unfairness is the issue. perhaps you mistook it for sarcasm
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 7 Oct 2025, 6:20,
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Liberalise the place?
Are they going to be inspired to allow furious wanking during public beheadings?
Not sure the Saudi PR team are going to go with "Not as bad as North Korea, or China, Alhamdulillah"
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Fri 3 Oct 2025, 5:25,
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I'm not expecting it to turn Riyadh into San Fransciso overnight, but I reckon a place like saudi allowing western comedians to come over for their first international comedy festival is quite a nice step
humour can become quite subversive, once you allow it.certainly better than isolation and the status quo,
that's my position and I reckon if people thought about it a bit more they might realise it's reasonable. But of course then they wouldn't get to jizz sanctimony on the internet
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 3 Oct 2025, 7:26,
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It's good to know that you're so much better than all those sanctimonious people, thanks for reminding us.
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I'm not condemning or cancelling them, I think like burr people should be able to say what they want, no matter how fatuous or first form
some people just want to feel involved, bless 'em
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 3 Oct 2025, 10:30,
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