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This is a normal post We've not had a proper public healthcare system for a very long time.
Ever since Bupa and the like got set-up the NHS has gone down hill.
When you've only had one choice for healthcare the rich and powerful made sure it was in a fit state for them to use too.

That and people expecting to live longer, be able to sue when things go wrong and use all the latest drugs and techniques but not pay for them through higher taxes has bleed the NHS of funds.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 12 Oct 2011, 15:35, Reply)
This is a normal post Out of curiousity,
when does someone become "rich"? What's the threshold for example from just "well off" to "rich" to "elite/powerful/lizard" ?
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Wed 12 Oct 2011, 15:40, Reply)
This is a normal post Well rich relative to others isn't it? In some countries i'ld be considered rich because I own a house.
In others I would be considered just average because of it's size.

And powerful is just that. Someone with power to exert over others.

Lizard? You're in david ike territory there.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 12 Oct 2011, 15:50, Reply)
This is a normal post LiZards are REEL and dont deniy it!

(I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Wed 12 Oct 2011, 15:52, Reply)
This is a normal post
It's true! They're responsible for Global Warming, as it enables them to freely move around the planet without the need for shell warm suits, so they can take over the planet more easily.
 (BombayMick Dogs are better than cats, Wed 12 Oct 2011, 16:17, Reply)
This is a normal post I know this one...
Earn over £26k, and you're in the richer half.

Or it's £33k if you look at those of employment age only.
 (I helped save b3ta! prince-igor si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses, Wed 12 Oct 2011, 16:16, Reply)
This is a normal post Yay! I'm not rich. I was worried for a minute there.

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 12 Oct 2011, 16:43, Reply)
This is a normal post GET OUT!

(I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Wed 12 Oct 2011, 18:01, Reply)
This is a normal post Quit your job and wait...
If you're in trouble within a year then you weren't rich.
 (I helped save b3ta! RadioElectric, Wed 12 Oct 2011, 20:55, Reply)
This is a normal post We have a proper
public health care system, and the fact that we have one makes it amazing.. Not for an awful lot longer.
 (I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Wed 12 Oct 2011, 15:50, Reply)
This is a normal post Well the managers took over, did a crap job and golden handshakes to leave.
The pharmaceutical companies bribed G.Ps with free gifts if they prescribed their products.
Cleaning was passed over from unionised workers to private companies who then sub- contracted.

Matrons with taken off the ward leaving nurses and doctors to try and manage wards themselves.

Catering budgets were slashed meaning people are actually leaving hospital malnourished.

For me the NHS died a long time ago, this is just a shell and people do it no favours pretending that the NHS now is some beacon for healthcare.

The Tories started the rot last time they were in power and Labour finished it off.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 12 Oct 2011, 15:56, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes
it's much better to pay for private health care. I'm looking forward to the future as a self-employed person finding out how much my private insurance will be. Fuck the shoddy service we get now from the rubbish NHS, let's close it down and give people what they actually want.
 (I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Wed 12 Oct 2011, 16:17, Reply)
This is a normal post How's the view from up there?
Why is it when someone doesn't side with one side of an argument they assume that you automatically are pro the other side?

You seem to be under the impression I approve and want an end to to social care.
I don't, but i'm not going to pretend what we've had for the past 20-30 years was a proper social health care system.

Give me the power to change things and i'ld tax the private hospitals to the hilt, not allow G.P's to work for the private sector until they've served a certain amount of years and paid back to the state what the state paid to train them. Make sure private hospitals take care of the patient from start to finish and not do what they do now and skimp on the recuperative care and fob that off on the NHS.

I would also put out of business with punitive fines any company that takes on a NHS contract job and fails in it's care of duty. I would also prosecute with corporate man slaughter any CEO's who's company has caused deaths in this manner.

People who think what we've had is proper social healthcare probably also think the last labour government was a proper labour one and if a few years of having to pay for healthcare is what it takes for people to wake up and demand social healthcare then so be it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 12 Oct 2011, 16:35, Reply)
This is a normal post Bollocks
I've had to rely heavily on the NHS since the early 80's and I can assure you that it was awful, and I mean really awful under the tory party and improved immeasurably under Labour by comparison. I think people forget just how bad it used to be. No problem though as in a couple of years time they should get it back to how it was.
 (I helped save b3ta! slartifartfast When all around are losing their heads, duck., Wed 12 Oct 2011, 19:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Both my parents have had heart surgery under the NHS and the quality of their care was awesome.
Really nice folks working for the NHS under (I imagine) often difficult circumstances and bureaucracy.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Wed 12 Oct 2011, 21:39, Reply)