being circumcised doesn't really force a lifestyle on anybody,
there are probably millions of circumcised people who don't know what all the fuss is about. It's fairly standard practice amongst Christians in the US for some reason.
Your theory of God is yours... others might not agree. I don't see the point in arguing what the will of God really is. Unless the state says that it isn't it has to accept that it might be.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:28,
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circumcision isn't reversible, it really is forcing a lifestyle on someone
it's only a medical procedure in freak cases of some kind of muscle contraction.
When I say "god" I deliberately put it in speech marks. I mean 'mother nature' really. If there was a need for circumcision, evolution would have made it happen by itself.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:37,
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Being circumcised is not a lifestyle,
it doesn't condemn one to being Jewish forever.
Well whatever you mean, you have to prove it to a Rabbi, I guess.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:44,
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I have no idea what you're saying
I'm not talking about being Jewish at all.
I'm saying once you've had part of your dick cut off you can't grow it back.
That in itself is doing something to a child before it can say "yeah, I think that'd be cool"
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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:47,
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That's true,
and it raises interesting questions about the rights of children.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:52,
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how was it not about the rights of children before?
oh of course, religion, they know better than the children they inflict themselves on.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:56,
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It was about religious freedom before.
Does a government have the courage to say "we must protect children from religion"? That's what I'm asking. There seems to be something of a stand off here between the modern western idea of rights of children and the right of freedom of religion. Because circumcision is not an option for Jews.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:00,
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Simple rules
children should have a say in what made up fairy tale they believe in.
Fuck religion, fuck their parents saying you must have part of your cock cut off because an imaginary friend said so.
If they want to do that, let them do it when they are 18, or better still after they've been psych tested and simply weighed up the options.
The sooner laws prevent gullible religious twats inflicting their doctrine on their kids the better.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:04,
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So you're saying it's definitely not the word of God, then.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:05,
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what isn't?
what is the word of god (and which god)?
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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:11,
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the requirement for Jews to be circumcised.
At 8 days old, so it says.
It's easy for you to say that's fairy tale bullshit or whatever... question is, what happens if a government of a liberal democracy says it.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:12,
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no religion should be inflicted on anyone unable to make a choice for themselves
simple as that.
A government should protect its citizens from cults, scams, fraudsters and religions, especially when they intend to inflict physical alteration to them, until an age when they can make the choice for themselves.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:15,
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Where do you stand on abortion?
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:25,
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you are trolling now for sure
Abortion is entirely down to the circumstance of the woman involved and certainly not a fucking church.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:28,
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what about the infant involved,
does the government not have the duty to protect it?
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:32,
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only after the accepted point where medical science proves it has sentience
Where do you stand on a blowjob or a wank or a piss (which for a man who has passed puberty dumps sperm)?
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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:41,
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Sentience doesn't have anything to do with the legal limit on abortion,
it would be nice if it did but what we've got has more to do with some concept of "viability" as far as I know. But supposing we take that cut-off point.
Would it be ok to circumcise a foetus, if it were possible, before the same time limit?
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:43,
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Being "Free thinking" is not an option for Jehova's Witnesses
- threatening individuals with castigation (sic) if they don't toe the party line, in whatever form, is repression, regardless of the reason for it. Just because something has always been done doesn't make it right, and the reasons for doing something a few thousand years ago doesn't mean it has to continue.
Also, there it appears "degrees of Judaism" - not all Jews avoid shell fish, pork, tattoos, for example.
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Varmint, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:12,
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Nobody is going to force a Jew to eat Pork though.
Obviously the antiquity of a practice doesn't make it more likely to be right. But this is a religion that has been allowed to do its thing until now, and now we decide, it isn't right. Novelty doesn't make an idea right, either. It's our morals vs theirs.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:21,
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we used to burn people as witches 400 years ago too
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Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:25,
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yeah I think they should bring that one back,
get rid of Derek Acorah.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:26,
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