You notice that the majority of places that were shot up were in gun-free zones like schools, churches and malls?
In fact, you can see right as Vin Diesel enters there is a sign on the door banning the carry of legal firearms.
If you're a coward psycho, you don't go where people can shoot back.
And almost every man is armed in Israel, and they have very little gun violence.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 21:46,
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So merkins are just trigger-happy?
I feel like we've been here before...
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Mon 30 Jul 2012, 23:48,
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I don't want to get drawn into this to far, but
there is no such thing as a 'coward psycho' is there? If you are a loony prepared to murder lots of people without any reason, you aren't really capable of being a coward can you, given you are by definition a mental basket case?
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Jahled Three shades of black, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 21:55,
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if they were really cowards
they could just stay at home crying and sucking their thumbs. It tends not to end well for these people.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 21:59,
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I don't know if you were really a psycho, why go where there is little risk of having people fight back?
In the few mass shootings that were broken up, it was from someone who had a gun close by (one had one in his truck in a school parking lot). Those killers operated on bravado and fear, but did not like bullets coming back toward them.
The real psycho would not care, but stand in the middle shouting "I am Arnold, I never get shot."
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 22:02,
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Are you saying they are really psychos or not?
They are people who, to generalise a profile, feel they have been totally rejected by society and reject it back, they choose as their targets the very people who rejected them or proxies thereof.
Besides, there will always be someone not armed somewhere, would you expect elementary school children to carry guns, and nurses in hospitals? You can't arm everybody, that would be insane. Or they will get a sniper rifle instead and shoot from where they can't be shot back. This has happened, I think.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 22:10,
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I think anyone who kills is psychotic. That may not be the clinical definition
And I would rather them shoot a single person from afar than wander in and kill a whole bunch of people. This last shooting, the big magazine jammed (as they do) and the guy tried to fix it, eventually giving up for a pistol. Had someone been armed, something could have happened.
Nurses should not have to be armed, but they also should not be disarmed. If someone come's on my missus' ward looking to kill, I'd rather she be able to protect herself. As it is, she is prohibited from having a gun on the floor, but that does not bar the gang bangers who have come there looking to finish a job they started in the meth house.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 22:14,
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I've killed loads of stuff but never a human. That doesn't make me a psycho.
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That alone may not, dear Pissy!
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 22:39,
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I think your mechanism has gone if you go around on completely random murderous shooting sprees
and a sign you might actually be completely insane.
Israel are obviously armed to the teeth in daily society because they are surrounded by people who desire their destruction, and I should imagine creates a rather sober climate with their approach to life in general. I suspect this will be misinterpreted. Siege mentality, perhaps.
Switzerland is an odd one. I think you are required by law to carry a gun certain times of the year or something. And they've been curiously absent from invasion for not just the last two world wars, but in general for a good couple of centuries.
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Jahled Three shades of black, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 22:14,
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That's because
the rich people keep their money there.
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The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 22:20,
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It might be because of slightly different reasons:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
But your joke was funny.
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psychos choose targets that have some kind of symbolic significance to them,
schools in particular really fuck up the unpopular kids, it's the society that causes it, not the guns or lack of.
Here in the UK guns aren't allowed anywhere and we also have very little gun violence.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 21:58,
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You're probably right about the significance. Still, to reinscribe that only justifies it.
I seem to remember a school in Scotland. Maybe that was before the gun ban.
And I did read a statistic that said that burglaries while a person was at home increased exponentially once the gun ban went into effect.
Actually, I would be more impressed if people got angry about all the people who die yearly in drunk driving accidents.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 22:05,
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I don't want to justify it but we do have to think about how we are creating these psychos in the first place.
There have always been tight controls on guns in the UK, the shooting in Dunblane was followed by even stricter controls. The guy was a paedophile, and he shot up a primary school. He owned the guns legally, but he was a known nutcase who should never have been allowed a license, from what I gather, there was some element of corruption involved. I forget the details, I think he had influential friends or something.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 22:15,
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OK, so society is creating psychos.
The rest of society should be free to defend against said psychos. Like with knives, and ropes and pipes and firecrackers and Addidas track wear, people can use them badly. It only gets worrisome to me when someone says a person defending himself could hurt an innocent (yeah, but about the guy being beaten - are we putting a different value on his life?)
I also don't like the idea I hear a lot "he should just learn to take his licks" - that is hogwash. I chose not to assault people and request the same of them. It may just be punchy punchy with the boys, but I've got people who count on me and me getting a concussion, stroke or dead from a beating is not in my weekly planner.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 22:24,
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I'm all for self-defence,
but the idea of an urban arms race is to me quite frightening.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 22:29,
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It's already happening; weapons are in the hands of gang bangers and drug cartels.
They bring them across the open border from all over the world.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 22:58,
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If we had any sense we'd have long since banned alcohol in the UK.
But we likes it. We'll just put up with the myriad of ways that alcohol fucks people up because we like getting pissed.
In Britain there's a few types of people that want guns, and they seem to own them somehow. But most of us don't really want them.
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Mon 30 Jul 2012, 23:57,
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Handguns are allowed for very few,
certain rifles are allowed for a few more,
and a rather large number of people have shotguns.
Just so's you know.
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Ok I oversimplified a bit.
There's no "concealed carry" except maybe for MI5 agents.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 22:32,
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