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This is a link post I was a firefighter at Grenfell Tower
Well obviously I wasn't, but this guy was, and apart from shedding a from light on what it was like in there he also has a fair bit to say about why it panned out how it did and who really does deserve to be blamed.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 21:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Mostly interesting but bullshit at the end
Saying the cladding was shit but hey, we travel around with flammable petrol in cars as if that's the same. then saying that no one should be sent to prison for this... even if they should be...?
 (dyllon nice beaver., Thu 14 Jun 2018, 23:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post everyone knows it's the conservatives' fault
they planned it from the beginning
 (L E T S G O "Stop buying into and spreading this shit", Fri 15 Jun 2018, 0:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post happened to hear cerys matthews interviewed on bbc 5live this afternoon
great quote referencing 'lions led by donkeys' quickly shut down and the subject swiftly moved on to football related lightheartedness. well lol. they had lots of thoughts and prayers to broadcast tho, inviting tweets and texts too, so that's something at least.
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Fri 15 Jun 2018, 2:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Interesting read but does wax poetic towards and at the end.

My cousin was on scene for 22 hours straight and this has royally fused his head.

I am in the Construction Industry and everything I see in the journals and industry press still do not address key failings by all members of the key members of the project team.

They were paid to oversee and make professional decisions.
 (hoppitygoestotown The temporal displacement occurred exactly, Fri 15 Jun 2018, 2:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post there's an elephant in this room
did you ever see an elephant fly? we may well soon...
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Fri 15 Jun 2018, 2:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm in construction also
I imagine it's a VE exercise gone very wrong and I bet there's a few twitchy arses at the moment..
 (I helped save b3ta! Nuisance Value, Sat 16 Jun 2018, 11:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post He’s keen to ensure that the “stay put” advice is maintained
And I understand that that is the basis of fire spread prevention in a block. I support that.

The problem is though that that assumes that keeping the doors shut will inhibit the spread of a fire. That a fire would spread from the inside of a block outward. In Grenfell that was categorically not the case. Grenfell burned from the outside in and was spreading uncontrollably from an early stage, something that the people on scene should have recognised much earlier.

There is rarely one cause to a disaster, usually a chain of events and decisions have to occur beforehand. Change one of those, and you change the outcome. Sticking to the “stay put” advice on the night in spite of the evidence that it was failing was not the primary cause, but it would seem to be a major contributory factor.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Fri 15 Jun 2018, 9:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post could it not be argued that the stay put advice was itself a cost saving decision?
saves on fitting fire escapes, etc. the whole debacle seems to highlight a profit before people mindset
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Fri 15 Jun 2018, 21:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post An interesting read
I don't think his conclusion, that everyone just sort of drifted into this mess, stands up though; though I fully respect his right to have that opinion. We elect people to regulate society, which sort of seems to have been the issue here with that cladding.
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 15 Jun 2018, 13:02, , Reply)