Yeah
Why bother trying to find out the answers to tricky questions?

Why don't we just take Vag's word that a magic man in the sky did it and leave it at that?
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Tue 18 Jan 2011, 14:45, 2 replies)

Please - do point out where I gave my word that a magic man in the sky did it?
Or that I even suggested such?

Oh - oh I didn't.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 18 Jan 2011, 15:25, closed)

So what's your point, exactly?
Why do you have such a problem with science? Why do you spend so much time on here disparaging it and defending its abusers?
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Tue 18 Jan 2011, 15:47, closed)

I think what he's defending
is being open-minded and humble as to the status of one's personal beliefs, rather than being arrogant and condescending.
(jennymnemonic, Tue 18 Jan 2011, 16:00, closed)

Precisely this.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 18 Jan 2011, 16:08, closed)

Yet you post in such an arrogant and condescending way
Perhaps that's the issue here.
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Tue 18 Jan 2011, 16:15, closed)

I respond to patronising, ill-informed accusations strongly, such as "just because you don't understand science", yes.
I don't see how that's arrogant or condescending, though. Particularly in light of my apology of the post being clear that it was just a bit of fun and having a dig.

Just a bit of a laugh - that's all - a bit of teasing.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 18 Jan 2011, 16:21, closed)

So you made an arrogant and condescending OP here
in response to...well, nothing. You just fancied a pop at atheists. Now you claim it's just a bit of fun and you're just teasing. But when atheists do it, that's what makes you angry. Right? Just so I'm clear on this.
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Tue 18 Jan 2011, 21:01, closed)

He doesn't
He seems to have a problem with the 'militant atheists' who go as loony as the 'militant theists' when the subject of religion is brought up.

I create universes on my PC all the time. They start with a big bang (turn the power on) and the characters I have created from dust (1s and 0s) live their lives based on the rules I have created for their universe. Does that make me God? Probably in their eyes (assuming they have such a concept).

If someone tries to make a religion based on my creation of the universe and slip some laws in with a number of misquotes along the way, that doesn't suddenly mean that I don't exist. It just means someone has tried to explain things and (possibly) tweaked things to their own ends.

Fundamentally, outside the universe, we have no idea really. A few theories and some educated guesses based on a few calculations based on some observations made within this universe but that's it really.

One has a decent (albeit slightly flawed) approach to the answer. The other is more philosophical in approach.

My guess is that they're all wrong. We're all on the back of a giant turtle that's swimming through some cosmic ether between universes. ;)
( betpet is the fun in dysfunctional, Tue 18 Jan 2011, 16:04, closed)

I don't really know what a militant atheist is
How do they differ from regular atheists? Do they not believe in God more?
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Tue 18 Jan 2011, 16:18, closed)

No, they're just more militant in their views
like militant feminists are.
( sandettie light vessel automatic New Twitter - @bollocksreally, Tue 18 Jan 2011, 18:08, closed)

That's not what I'm saying at all
I'd be the first to advocate trying to figure it all out, but when it comes to things like the origin of the universe, I don't think an answer we'd understand is even possible. Even if it turns out the M-theorists are, in some sense, 'right', and the universe was born in a collision bettwen 11-dimensional membranes in M-space (I saw it on horizon, I'm not going to pretend any genuine knowlefge), does that make us any the wiser? It's just words for things we can never get our heads round - we are so bound up in time and space that even general relativity is a bit of a headfuck.
(WarneMarsh My priority for frivolity begets quality jollity, Tue 18 Jan 2011, 17:06, closed)