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What's your favourite one that you almost believe? And why? We're popping on our tinfoil hats and very much looking forward to your answers. (Thanks to Shezam for this suggestion.)
( , Thu 1 Dec 2011, 13:47)
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But presumably they would lose the characteristic flavour. You said yourself that only they can use the coca leaves - and there's no reason to believe that all the leaves are turned into cocaine after the flavourings have been extracted. Most will probably be thrown away or destroyed rather than go to the extra effort of extracting the cocaine.
( , Mon 5 Dec 2011, 17:35, 2 replies)
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The process of removing the flavourings, I dont know how but assume its the same as how you get essential oile etc for perfumes and fragrances, would destroy traces of cocaine or make the leaves unusable.
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they are saying it is for medicinal use.
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I'm not saying any cocaine is destroyed. I'm saying that it is never refined in the first place, because the leaves it would have been refined from are destroyed.
Cocaine and coca leaves are not the same thing.
Edit: You seem to be assuming that they extract all the cocaine that it's possible to extract, and I'm saying that they almost certainly don't, especially as they have absolutely no need to.
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Coca leaves are illegal to cultivate, to import and to process. They're apparently not illegal after they've been decocanised, so the Coca Cola company at least keeps its hands clean, but how they justify producing the decocanised leaves other than as a byproduct of medical cocaine production, I still can't yet quite fathom. The pharmaceutical company Stepan has an exemption from the DEA (the only company that has such an exemption) for the production of medical cocaine.
I know why it is that way though, the Coca Cola company has the US Government by the throat, that's what worries me. Decocanised coca leaves are not used as a flavouring for anything else at all outside of South America.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. What I think you're suggesting happens are these steps, in this order:
1. Import coca leaves
2. Process all coca leaves to produce medical cocaine
3. Use decocanised leaves to produce flavourings
4. As the demand for flavourings is far higher than the demand for medical cocaine, where does the rest of the cocaine go?
If that's what you're thinking then yes, I can see the problem. However, if the steps are:
1. Import leaves
2. Process all leaves to create flavourings
3. Re-process some (say 20%) of the leaves to create medicinal cocaine in amounts appropriate to world demand
4. Destroy all unnecessary leaves
Then I don't see the problem. The US government gets its medical cocaine (but no more than it needs) and coca cola get their flavourings. Both processes end up with the leaves either destroyed or in a legal form, but to me the second makes far more sense than the first.
Edit: Especially as an operation of this sort would be subject to massive public and federal scrutiny, I think that you would have to implicate large sections of the government in any plausible smuggling link. I just can't see that the benefits would outweigh the risks.
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for the import or use of a plant that the US Government is quite keen to entirely eradicate just so that one particular manufacturer can make soft drinks out of it.
And I don't think big business in America is particularly scrutinised at all.
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I'm suggesting that if they didn't need that much coca for their medical product needs, then there is no justification for them to import that much coca. I'm suggesting that the medical market is the only legitimate use of the stuff, but that rather than running the business for the medicine and selling flavourings as a sideline, the opposite seems to be the case, and that the only reason they can get away with it is because of the influence that big businesses such as the Coca Cola company have other the legal system.
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I never said I thought it was a good situation - what I said was that there is no good reason to posit a cocaine selling/smuggling operation from the known facts. It will be interesting to see what will happen when the medicinal cocaine market dwindles to an insignificant amount.
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I should have said that there is no reason to assume an oversupply of cocaine.
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although I suspect it's not called the Whitehouse for no reason...
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Bill Clinton was terrible for not cleaning up after himself.
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