Misinformed vegetarians and vegans...
... because they come out with all manner of crap that they read on the PETA website without bothering to check if any of it is true or not.

Male chickens aren't slaughtered at a few days old. They get eaten too.

Calves do not get shipped off for veal at a few days old, or (mostly) at all. Cows continue to produce milk for a long time after calves are weaned, and produce about 25kg of milk at night when they're lying down, because that's about how much milk a calf will drink - about half of it in the morning.

What happens to all the waste is this - it gets sprayed onto arable land to act as fertiliser. Without that, we would be wholly dependant on petrochemical-based fertilisers. Herein lies the hypocrisy. In most of the world, livestock farming is a vital part of agriculture. You cannot grow crops without putting something back into the soil (of course, in some parts of the world, like the north of Scotland, you can't grow much in the way of crops at all - it's too rocky. Grazing animals do well, though). You've got a choice here - you can put shit on it, or you can put potentially harmful chemicals with a massive ecological cost on it.

Your call. Shit or chemicals?
(gordonjcp, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 8:28, 10 replies)

Ah yes...
A question I ask myself every Friday night.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 8:38, closed)

indeed
although I often find a shit follows the chemicals, usually where there is no available loo.
(Ja For Sure, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:09, closed)

I like shit
Woo shit!
( brown-wings Made with three kinds of butter, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 9:14, closed)

Shit! Shit! Shit!
Yeah!
( gareth_alien will be human again at, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:10, closed)

PETA not quite wrong.
Actually - a large fraction of chicks are killed at a few days old.
This is as there are two sorts of chickens, those optimised for meat, and those optimised for eggs.

If you try to grow a (male) egg-chicken up for meat, yes, of course you can, but it takes significantly longer, and produces less meat per unit food than a meat chicken.

So, as they don't produce as many eggs, and are inefficient producers of meat, a large fraction of male egg-layer chicks get the chop. (or blender, bulldozer, ...)

For similar reasons, large fractions of male milk-cow calves get killed soon after birth.
(speedevil, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:52, closed)

Shit please,
and plenty of it, I'll tell you when to stop. Valid point though, "Click"
(Lump, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 13:24, closed)

Why do you need the meat industry to produce shit for fertiliser?

There are sixty million people in this country, producing shit every day (some if it from their mouths, even). Don't you think we could use that?
(Musuko, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 14:09, closed)

We do.
There still isn't enough. Oh, and processing human shit into a form that's safe to use for organic veggies uses a lot of energy, because you've got to kill off lots of nasty bugs that are specific to human shit.

Never ever eat organic vegetables raw.
(gordonjcp, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 18:33, closed)

my younger sister

shes 33, has been threatening to start shitting in the garden ... bloody hippies..


when oh when will people buckle up and cop on to the fact that it's all just nature just taking its rightful course...

we are a product of nature -
we have the capacity to interfere with nature -that is the nature of nature -
radioactive waste in a natural thing -
every planet dies -
our planet will die with or without our help -live as you see fit, no one can tell someone else what to do -
have faith in something bigger -
rave your tits off when you can..

lots of hugs, kisses and a decent fisting,

j
(The Cats Twat, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 21:58, closed)

Shit FTW!
Woo!
(Helixdaunting, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 20:35, closed)