Erm....
..."My vote, as far as I'm concerned, is nothing compared to the fuck-loads of tax I pay... entitling me to have my say where ever and when ever I like..."

You're vote not only selects the people who set the tax levels, but also decides who chooses where to spend that tax. Therefore (in my opinion) they kind of go hand in hand.

And of course you have every right to say whatever you want, whenever you want to. I'm just suggesting that some people might want to do a bit more than just groundlessly moan when they did nothing to try to obviate the reasons for the moaning in the first place.
(NoveltyCondomHead Clanks Wams., Thu 6 May 2010, 11:10, 1 reply)

the hilarious thing is the adjectives used
"groundless" "invalid" and no right...

I live in this country and abide by it's rules. I have the right to whinge about anything I don't like.

I totally agree that people shouldn't whinge if they don't vote - but they have as much right to do so as everyone else - and to say that their opinion in invalid because they didn't vote is fucking ludicrous
(likeajackhammer, Thu 6 May 2010, 11:17, closed)

I should have the right to say their opinion is invalid because they didn't vote, shouldn't I?

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 6 May 2010, 11:18, closed)

now you're getting it
EDIT: but I do think that regardless of whether they voted or not (and you'll never know unless they confess), you shouldn't dismiss their opinions.
(likeajackhammer, Thu 6 May 2010, 11:19, closed)

Ah, see, now - if I don't vote, then someone who thinks I SHOULDN'T have the right to say their opinion is invalid because they didn't vote could get in.
And that, my sex chicken, is a very slippery slope indeed.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 6 May 2010, 11:22, closed)

politics is (and politicians are) fucking slippery to start with...
but I do agree there...
(likeajackhammer, Thu 6 May 2010, 11:24, closed)

Hence you should vote.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 6 May 2010, 11:25, closed)

I hate conversing in two different sub threads...
because I've just explained that in my reply up there ^
(likeajackhammer, Thu 6 May 2010, 11:28, closed)

I agree with you on this though...
...I think I'm running at 3 now and my mind is melting.
(NoveltyCondomHead Clanks Wams., Thu 6 May 2010, 11:29, closed)

I feel you're opinion is somewhat self contradictory...
..."I totally agree that people shouldn't whinge if they don't vote - but they have as much right to do so as everyone else"

So you agree that they shouldn't, but that they should if they want to?

I'm not saying that they shouldn't be allowed. I've hardly suggested censoring the media and black bagging anyone who dares to speak up without voting. I just think that they're being a tiny bit hypocritical.

" - and to say that their opinion in invalid because they didn't vote is fucking ludicrous"

Nope, and sorry if I phrased it like that. They're opinion is totally valid. What is not valid is moaning about it after the fact when they didn't bother trying to ensure there was less to moan about in the first place.

Let me draw a parallel for the hard of thinking. Imagine Bob has a sore shoulder, and after weeks of pain goes to the docs, has a minor opp etc. Lots of sympathy for Bob and his poorly poorly shoulder.

Now Dave has the same shoulder trouble. No docs, no painkillers for manly old Dave. 3 weeks later, no sympathy for Dave, as the stupid cunt has just sat there wallowing in his misery rather than try to fix it.

I'm guessing that you didn't need the 'written in crayon' version, but I'm trying to illustrate this isn't about free speech, it's about people complaining about a situation they themselves have helped to bring about.
(NoveltyCondomHead Clanks Wams., Thu 6 May 2010, 11:26, closed)