and hate leads to the darkside? what? you are making some massive leaps there and we
are both generalising to the point that neither of us are ever going to agree. I don't think Andy Gray should have been fired for sexism. The media frenzy around what, in my opinion, isn't that a big a deal has played a major part in his dismissal. RE big Ron, yes he should have been fired because racism is much worse than sexism.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 17:28, 1 reply, 15 years ago)

OK, because I still can't quite believe you aren't trolling, I'll rise to it
racism is exactly the same as sexism. It's discrimination on the grounds of a physical characteristic of a human being that is intrinsically and historically linked to oppression of those with that physical characteristic.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 17:32, Reply)

so every case of alleged racism and sexism is black and white
and the intentions and motivations of the individual accused of saying said 'racist/sexist' comment can be determined from the comment alone?
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 17:34, Reply)

Of course they can!

(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 25 Jan 2011, 17:36, Reply)

bollocks

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 17:41, Reply)

Actually, context is very key, in my opinion, which is something that is debateable and not fact.
And I believe the context of the above video, he was out of order, she clearly wasn't part of the joke in any way, and he was clearly belittling her.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 17:47, Reply)

OK, I'll accept that some things need to be taken in context.
However, some things ARE clearly self-explanatory, and that's where Grey falls.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 25 Jan 2011, 17:52, Reply)

how do you know? do you know the man personally?
or have you just seen two clips and read a couple of articles?
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 17:56, Reply)

I've seen the incidents as they happened - in context
He's got previous for being a disgusting sexist - context

Do I need to fucking stalk him to prove it? No. You don't look at people like Katie Price and think "Oh, I bet she's shy and retiring at home", do you? No, you judge what you've seen her do in public and what she's previously done in public.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 25 Jan 2011, 18:01, Reply)

It's people
'KNOWING' they are right that cause half the problems in the world anyway. A little discrestion (no idea on spelling) and patience is always better than making a rash decision.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 18:14, Reply)

I didn't fucking fire him, his bosses did. I'm sure they've met him.

(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 25 Jan 2011, 18:22, Reply)

context would demonstrate whether they were joking or serious
neither changes the fact that they should be sacked, because it's a fucking stupid thing to make a joke over.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 17:55, Reply)

I'm not sure what you think you're saying here
What do the intentions and motivations have to do with anything? racism is racism. Sexism is sexism.

there are two alternatives. It was an ill-judged series of jokes that they must have spent ages planning as a double act to hone so well, in which case they should be sacked for being fucking idiots with no sense.

Or, they really do believe that a female linesman can't do the job properly, in which case they are institutionally sexist and exactly as bad as any racist. And past evidence points strongly to this (see - their commentry on the 1997 or 8 womens FA cup final)

neither scenario is in any way fucking excusable.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 17:40, Reply)

so when Monty makes racist jokes on here
like the one at the top of the popular page. He is being vitriolic and his comments are verbatim? I think you are trolling now!
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 17:44, Reply)

What has Monty's poor taste in jokes got to do with it?
Monty isn't a publicly employed figure, he's not made those comments whilst at work and I seriously doubt his behaviour influences the general public
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 17:49, Reply)

Gray's comment wouldn't have been in the public unless some tech goon
hadn't fucked up. The more you continue this argument the more I'm convinced you're just being beligerent. You know what I mean, I know what you mean, we disagree with each other, what's the big deal? It's not going to effect my evening so why not just leave it now?
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 17:53, Reply)

It was made in the context of his work
it doesn't matter how it was made public, it's relevant.

I'm really not being belligerent, I'm genuinely quite surprised that someone who I previous thought to be quite a reasonable and pleasant chap could be this bigoted. But, absolutely, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Chalk one up to "no matter how much you know, you can always be surprised"
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 18:00, Reply)

Thanks, enjoy your evening.
I'm off to watch the football with my sexist friends.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 18:04, Reply)

Ok, here we go.....
Well, you know badge, there is a long list of actually funny comedians who use steriotypes to good effect
What about Bernard Manning, gonz?
I think Badge, he only appeals to the thick and the dregs of society, but it's a good point. Personally, I think people taking themselves to seriously can be a bit shit to tell you the truth.
Yeah' Gonz, I know, but what about those who have been instertutionally abused, if someone said "You're a jew so you have a big nose, haha" it would be a bit =/, but if someone said "You're a jew so we're giving the job to someone else", you'd be pissed.
Totally agree, it's the context badger.
Gonz, have you ever felt serious racisim? Do you know what it's like? Imagine if you could get your own back on them.
I have, and most of the time I would like too, but sometimes it's worth picking your battles, badger.
Yes Gonz, and this is one she should pick, it's not in the pub, it's on national TV with entire careers at stake.
Completely agree with you there badge. Just one more thing, has anyone from the weekend told you they like-like me?
Well gonz, I can't awnser that, I wouldn't betray a confidance, but chin up big fella, it's home time.
Ok badge, fair enough, I'll see your reply to this when I get home. L8erz people.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 17:56, Reply)

I love you, man.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 18:02, Reply)

I would pay good money to spend a day (well 30 minutes) in your head
you lovely mentallist.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Jan 2011, 18:08, Reply)