I'm not insinuating that at all, UKIP aren't a racist party, and you're the only one mentioning the BNP
I don't like UKIP, but they have clear policies and I can see some of their views appealing to "typical Tory voters".

Without taking the first step, I would be surprised if electoral reform is discussed again for thirty to forty years, and more than likely, it will be the same shit compromise. AV is a small step to a slightly better system, but you know damned well that the Tories would do anything they could to stop any kind of PR system getting into place.

I'm not talking about most people, I'm talking about most people that vote, which, while it ought to be the same, clearly isn't given the depressingly low turnouts.

And most people who have left leaning views would probably vote labour or lib dem, or possibly green, but some would like to vote green but since they know in their borough they will only get a few hundred votes, would prefer to see Labour than the Tories.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:51, 1 reply, 15 years ago)

UKIP and racism are hardly singing from opposite hymn sheets
the members of UKIP I know, tend to be of the 'send them all back' sort, so I still find it offensive. I'm still not sure why you seem to think their policies and the Tories are allied.

I really don't think that just voting, implies a) an understanding of AV and b) a genuine belief in a secondary political party. Out of interest would Labour be your second choice?
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:56, Reply)

How about you stop being so precious. I didn't call you a racist, you brought that up yourself, I made a guess as to another political party which you might have felt an affinity for if you weren't able to choose a Tory candidate. UKIP occupy the centre right of politics, similar to the Tories but I'm not getting into an in depth discussion of them or their politics.

The point about the preference is that you don't have to give a second preference if you don't have one, but, as has been demonstrated by surveys, a lot of people DO have second preferences.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 May 2011, 16:04, Reply)

Ask the average person how they feel
about being pegged as a UKIP voter and you'll get much the same response. I don't think it's being precious.

As I've already said, neither of us are ever going to convince the other, for all of the reasons we've given. I don't think for a possibly slightly fairer system it's worth all the bad points, and you don't think that the bad points are enough of a reason not to vote for it.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 3 May 2011, 16:12, Reply)

I can't see the bad points you're talking about.

(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 May 2011, 16:13, Reply)