So what type of PR do you advocate then?
Surely you must realise that for all its faults, FPTP delivers accountable representation. Which is the point of a representative democracy.

You're 16 right? Can we not discuss DnB, or video games or skateboarding or something?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 13 Sep 2011, 21:23, 1 reply, 14 years ago)

I don't think FPTP delivers representation that is particularly accountable
since in reality you don't get to choose who your MP is, only which party your MP belongs to.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 13 Sep 2011, 21:27, Reply)

Woah Al, FPTP delivers exactly that.
You vote for an individual at local level, not a party. When did you last vote?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 13 Sep 2011, 21:44, Reply)

My point is that the party decides who is running in each constituency
But also any constituency with a big split between several candidates delivers even less representation since the majority of people will likely cast votes for someone other than the one who goes on to "represent" them.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 13 Sep 2011, 21:51, Reply)

But it's a system where individuals campaign, and have their own platforms.
Hence there is variation of views within parties- Ken Clarke is far further to the left than Osborne, for example.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 13 Sep 2011, 21:56, Reply)

I know that
but I can't vote for Ken can I. I like the Dutch system where you can vote for either a party, or a person, or pretty much anything you like. And they have very high turnouts.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 13 Sep 2011, 22:04, Reply)

You can't vote for Ken unless you live in his constituency, no.
Meh. I like PR on an intellectual level, but FPTP on a pragmatic level.

As long as there is party politics you'll always have to vote for someone who doesn't quite match your views, or stand yourself as an independent.

And that is just madness.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 13 Sep 2011, 22:10, Reply)

There are much better ways of having a constituency link
than FPTP. In fact pretty much every other way is better than FPTP.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 13 Sep 2011, 22:17, Reply)