in his view they are.
I've torrented stuff before, some of it I have later bought on a physical format, some not, but if the only way to buy them is digitally, and I acquire digital versions without paying then there is dishonesty at work. It drives him mental when he finds the torrents, it really does.

On the whole though, I'm ambivalent about it. There's loads of stuff I torrent that I would never buy, so no lost sales. It's a grey area really.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 3 Oct 2012, 15:33, 3 replies, latest was 13 years ago)

NO NO NO HE'S WRONG. WHAT WOULD HE KNOW?
AND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE PASSING ON THE FIRST HAND OPINIONS OF AN INDUSTRY INSIDER MAKES YOU A 'TWAT' BECAUSE HE IS YOUR MATE - IT SAYS SO UP THERE. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEM AND THEY ARE, SAY, A JOURNALIST, IT'S FINE THOUGH.

FFS.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 3 Oct 2012, 15:35, Reply)

Hang on, how do you reconcile these two statements:
"which means that these are genuine instances of torrents equating to lost sales"

and

"There's loads of stuff I torrent that I would never buy, so no lost sales"
(Bazongaloid, Wed 3 Oct 2012, 15:38, Reply)

because he has no physical product to sell
Only the digital ones, which end up being torrented. It's not a loss leader situation.

I buy digital content very very rarely, I prefer to own artwork and sleeve etc.

In any case, he views these as lost sales with that lack of income having a direct impact on his bottom line.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 3 Oct 2012, 15:49, Reply)

So what? It still doesn't equate to a lost sale in exactly the same way that a download of a physical album doesn't equate a lost sale.

Following your edit, it still makes fuck all difference whether he views them as such or not, there is just not the evidence out there to suggest that a download equals a lost sale.
(Bazongaloid, Wed 3 Oct 2012, 15:51, Reply)

it's alright Al
I just emailed him a link to this thread. He's sending it on to his accountant. He's been a bit of a silly billy it deems!
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 3 Oct 2012, 15:54, Reply)

Yeah, joking aside, you don't actually have an answer though do you?
You've already said yourself that you download stuff you wouldn't buy, so no matter how angry he gets that someone is sharing his stuff via torrents or whatever, it still doesn't mean that people who would otherwise have bought his stuff are getting it for free. They are just as likely to be downloading it and going "this is shit".
(Bazongaloid, Wed 3 Oct 2012, 15:58, Reply)

Perhaps he should release less shit music?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 3 Oct 2012, 16:00, Reply)

I would if I were him.
I'd release stuff that people actually wanted to buy.
(Bazongaloid, Wed 3 Oct 2012, 16:01, Reply)

I'm ambivalent about it.
Just saying that someone who's livelihood depends on selling downloads views the illegal distribution of hid products as theft. He's not a lawyer, neither am I and neither are you. But he gets angry when he finds that his copyright has been violated. So crime, yes, theft, questionable. There needs to be a sale in the first place, so the uploader breaks the terms of use. That's illegal, but not theft.

Semantics semantics semantic Patel.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 3 Oct 2012, 16:03, Reply)

You've already said this
but the issue is that you started saying this "He regularly finds tracks of his on torrent sites, which means that these are genuine instances of torrents equating to lost sales" but as I've said, this is an incorrect statement.

And he can view the copyright infringement as theft all he likes, much like monty, but the fact that I am not a lawyer makes no difference to the fact that he is wrong.
(Bazongaloid, Wed 3 Oct 2012, 16:07, Reply)

His friend is an idiot.
Partially for this, but mainly for being friends with Dozer
(PsychoChomp, Wed 3 Oct 2012, 16:15, Reply)

It's a gay area more like.
Like the one you live in.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 3 Oct 2012, 15:41, Reply)