wait, i've seen the list, its for the usa,
first family dog killer was a labrador, this screws everything up, still failing to see the bit that says it was well trained, where is that bit? cheers
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:45, 2 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

Why does it matter if it was well trained.
All breeds can be badly trained
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)

Hang on, you own a staffy don't you?

( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)

yeh and she's DANGEROUS

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:47, Reply)

100% of staffie owners will defend them no matter what
so no point debating with you, even that dumb bitch whose staffie killed her own kid defended the dog.
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:50, Reply)

i wasn't talking about my dog though,
i didn't realise i was even defending her, is she part of this discussion?
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:52, Reply)

also she's only partially staffy, seeing as you seem to want to talk about her.
i've got pics if you like too!
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:53, Reply)

because that's the exact point we were discussing wasnt it?
that it's the badness of the owner rather than the breed? i'm so confused.
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)

Yes and I am saying that even well trained dogs can attack
so the breeds most likely to kill if they did snap probably shouldn't be kept as pets. Ie. the big strong ones
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:48, Reply)

i see what you mean
but also there is no evidence there that any of those dogs were not badly trained rather than well trained and just snapping

edit: though i should point out, if there were evidence of that then of course i would completely agree. i don't disagree even, i just havent seen any evidence other than what people reckon, so far here
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:49, Reply)

A large number of the deaths are children
So really the size of the dog is irrelevant.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:57, Reply)

oh, second one was a dog the family was keeping for a family friend, so not a family dog after all.
am i looking at the same info as you here?
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)

Probably
but there is no evidence that the majority of the dogs in the list were badly trained.
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:47, Reply)

there's no evidence to say that they werent either
so i have no idea why you thought the list proved anything
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:48, Reply)

The list proves some breeds kill a lot more than others

( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:49, Reply)

yeh i don't think anybody thought otherwise

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:49, Reply)

And those breeds are the ones that are also statisically more kept by bad owners who don't train and encourage aggression in their dogs
So?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:58, Reply)

Also, Rotties/Pit Bulls are going to be skewed examples
as they are frequently kept as untrained guard dogs, so very much more likely to be in a situation where they attack
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 14:01, Reply)