that's what defence barristers are for, though.
They aren't really doing their job if they go "yeah... you're right, he's a cunt. Bang the fucker up and throw away the key"
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 16:45, 1 reply, 12 years ago)

Oh I know that, it still seems a bit rich though.

(Bazongaloid, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 16:46, Reply)

I'm impressed that he's essentially escaped a murder conviction through being extremely stupid.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 16:47, Reply)

Well, he escaped murder because he didn't intend to kill them.
But it is a textbook case of manslughter, he did something fucking stupid that was clearly dangerous, but the actual deaths were accidental
(Bazongaloid, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 16:52, Reply)

I wonder how ethical it is to sling someone inside for life-threatening levels of stupidity.
Because by calling it "stupidity" you're implying a level of diminished mental capacity.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 16:58, Reply)

I appreciate the legal issue
But FFS he set fire to his house, with his kids still in it. If he couldn't see the possible result then he shouldn't be allowed out on his own anyway.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Wed 3 Apr 2013, 16:59, Reply)

You're preaching to the choir here
I think he should get life for putting his kids in that situation just to get back at an ex girlfriend.

I think there is a potential mitigation for the wife given that he was a violent control freak, but she should still get a hefty sentence.

And the other guy should also get life for being such a cunt as to go along with it because someone sucked him off.
(Bazongaloid, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 17:01, Reply)

I'm agreeing with Al, online.

(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Wed 3 Apr 2013, 17:02, Reply)

prick

(PsychoChomp, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 17:04, Reply)

Soz Chompy
Won't do it again.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Wed 3 Apr 2013, 17:07, Reply)

I know, it was a debate earlier.
essentially that there must be a point at which the abosolute certainty of the action causing loss of life tips something from manslaugter to murder regardless of the "intention" argued by the defendant. If I deliberately shot you, I couldn't argue that I did intend to shoot you but didn't intend to kill you. Well I could, but a jury would still convict me of murder.

They've escaped a murder conviction pretty much because the CPS accepted that they were fucking stupid enough to truly believe that deliberately setting fire to a house with 6 kids in it wouldn't kill the kids.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 17:00, Reply)

Their plan as it was, was to set fire to the house save the kids and be a hero.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 17:00, Reply)

Oh, absolutely.
But I think my point is valid. There must be a line whereby the CPS and a jury would go "fuck off - uninentional, you say? well even a fucking retard could see the consequences of that. Not having it. Murder"

Basically the CPS, by only pressing for manslaughter, are saying that they accept the defendants are truly fucking stupid enough to believe that the plan might have worked without killing anyone.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 17:04, Reply)

They also accept that the defense would have played this and the jury would most likely have accepted this

(Bazongaloid, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 17:07, Reply)

totally
and the sad thing is I'm sure they are right.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 17:10, Reply)

Exactly this.
Basically the court accepts that he is a retard.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Wed 3 Apr 2013, 17:01, Reply)

If it's one thing I've learned in the course of my job
it's that no matter how stupid you assume people are, they're always capable of surprising you.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 17:02, Reply)

I suppose
their sentence is a life of knowing every day that they killed their own children. Assuming they are as caring as they're trying to tell us they are, that will be a worse sentence than anything the CPS can hand down.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 3 Apr 2013, 17:03, Reply)

Best just let them off, then.
Poor lambs will suffer enough already.
( Kroney, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 17:04, Reply)

Well, we don't have kids (either together or individually)
so apparently we can't possibly understand teh bond there is between a parent and a child.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 3 Apr 2013, 17:07, Reply)

This indeed
I will see them as murderers because I would never put my kids in the sort of danger just to be a hero/get back at the ex/get a bigger house the fact they put their kids in a life threatening situation, on purpose, to get something for themselves makes it murder in my eyes. Yes they didn't intend to kill them but they still put them in a life threatening situation on purpose and they died.
( Peej, Wed 3 Apr 2013, 21:35, Reply)