Following on from Lampito's veganism thing
If you're a vegan does that mean you aren't *allowed* to swallow?

We are animals, after all...

And would a vegan baby not be allowed mummy's milk?
(Psyche finishes work at the end of June! Yay!!!, Thu 21 May 2009, 14:53, 35 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

I think babies can have
mothers milk as it's same species/family/natural.

I think it's just eating other species stuff they find UNACCEPTABLE.

I find them weird, especially the one who acosted me in Tescos when I was buying mince beef and told me meat was murder.

Vegans who don't care what I eat are fine :p
( TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Thu 21 May 2009, 14:58, Reply)

Oh...
That makes far more sense.
(Psyche finishes work at the end of June! Yay!!!, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:01, Reply)

I was sat on a train once
Tucking into a fat XL Bacon Double Cheeseburger, when a hippy-looking guy opposite me leant forward and said to me "Excuse me, can you not eat that, I'm vegetarian."

I smiled politely (mum taught me to never talk with my mouth full), and carried on eating.

It actually tasted better from then on.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:02, Reply)

XL bacon double cheeseburgers
FTW!
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Thu 21 May 2009, 16:44, Reply)

They're all a bit nutty
do you get it nutty because they eat nuts and stuff,
god I'm hilarious.
(PsychoChomp, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:02, Reply)

had this conversation with a fellow vegetarian
who, unlike me, is veggie on principles, and she had a bit of THE FEAR when she realised (at least in her mind) she'd inadvertently ingested bacon after sucking off her boyfriend, who'd polished off most of a pig a few days before.

I lol'd.

I think it's more causing other animals suffering, even if it's by-products. Like taking calves away from mothers to maximise milk yields, forcing chickens to lay eggs. Seeing as it's not suffering to produce sperm, I think it's fair game.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:08, Reply)

btw
you can't force a chicken to lay eggs. They just do.
(Psyche finishes work at the end of June! Yay!!!, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:33, Reply)

She's talking about
Chicken-Squeezing, durrrr!
That evil, terrible farming method. You can get three eggs a day that way.
( Cawl, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:41, Reply)

yeah, THAT.
Or just shutting them up in cages where all there is to do is eat and lay.

Not that I know anything about animal rights.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:44, Reply)

see later post on "free range"
...
(Psyche finishes work at the end of June! Yay!!!, Thu 21 May 2009, 16:48, Reply)

Glad that's been clarified
So yes, but it might have bacon leftovers in... and if they've died of natural causes...
what about roadkill?

Presumably (what I plan for when I'm old and settled) if I get myself a nice dexter cow and let her calf stay on, but just take a pint a day off'f the top, that'd be ok?
They produce way more than one dinky calf could need...

Altho you'd need to have a calf each year so = lots of cows/calf being sold - possibly for eatage.
(Psyche finishes work at the end of June! Yay!!!, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:16, Reply)

I still think the UK
should embrace the horse meat/veal market. Stop giving all the yumminess away to the french!
( TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:19, Reply)

The fact that
veal is so reviled in this country is a crying shame.

It's an excellent meat.
(Himjim died a little more inside on, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:25, Reply)

I'll second the horses
I was a little dubious until my housemate bought a pack of horse ham back from France. Seriously good stuff.
(LongJohnBaldry, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:29, Reply)

good?
I stand corrected.
(Psyche finishes work at the end of June! Yay!!!, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:31, Reply)

see below
veal - old (foreign) system = torture.
veal - british (and I remember some other country doing this, so we ain't alone) system = perfectly good meat and we should eat more of it. Not torture.
(Psyche finishes work at the end of June! Yay!!!, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:32, Reply)

Ha ha ha
Have never eaten horse meat - but apparently it ain't all that.

We have veal in this country - welfare friendly stuff that isn't raised in crates, and the calves are allowed to eat solid food... is called british rose veal. Doubt you'll be able to find it anywhere tho - the stuff you normally find is from abroad and NOT welfare friendly. Calves kept in crates, alone, fed liquid diets... horrid. THAT I take exception to... but again, if you want to eat it and you're informed, that's your choice.
(Psyche finishes work at the end of June! Yay!!!, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:29, Reply)

We didn't really have free range meat when I became a vegetarian.
I've been a veggie for so long I couldn't go back to eating meat even though I have no problem with free range.

It was the conditions that intensive farmed animals are kept in that upset me.

I started eating fish again after a few years as...

1, they are good for you
2, they swim free until they are caught
3, I cannot emote with a fish.
( girlinthehole, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:32, Reply)

Free range
Generally, I agree. Free range animals is best.

Bug to bear vis a vis the marketing scam which is free range eggs.
(Psyche finishes work at the end of June! Yay!!!, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:34, Reply)

Free range?
I can understand why 'Organic' is a scam, but why Free Range?
(LongJohnBaldry, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:36, Reply)

...
Since we cannot ask a chicken whether it is happy, we can only assess stress factors by the exhibition of normal behaviours and measurements of cortisol in the blood.

Tests have shown that in extensive free range systems vs the "enriched" battery cages which I believe have now replaced all the old unenriched ones... The cortisol was significantly higher in the free range chickens, showing increased stress.

Also, in the extensive system there was a much greater incidence of "hen pecking", disease... and the birds rarely moved further than 1m away from the barn wall.
(Psyche finishes work at the end of June! Yay!!!, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:36, Reply)

Just goes to show you how stupid chickens are really.
.
( girlinthehole, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:39, Reply)

Disagreement:
You can't judge an animal with a completely different neural physiology to you by your own standards.
( Cawl, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:42, Reply)

*JOKE ALERT JOKE ALERT JOKE ALERT JOKE ALERT*
.
( girlinthehole, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:45, Reply)

Q:Why did the chicken cross the road?
A:BECAUSE JESUS HATES YOU.

*shrugs*
I'll have to work on the delivery of that one a bit.
( Cawl, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:46, Reply)

I agree that cages are not ideal
The ideal system would mimic the environment which the chickens came from, namely woodland, as one of their main fears is fear of predation. Any time a plane/bird flies overhead, the chickens will run for cover.

It just annoys me that the marketing for it is better welfare, when this simply is not the case.

And I don't blame people for eating free range eggs. I didn't find out about this until I studied it at uni.
(Psyche finishes work at the end of June! Yay!!!, Thu 21 May 2009, 15:39, Reply)