LoL.
Just wait. The tories never reveal their true colours until they are in power. Then all bets are off and it's open trough time. The tories only care about individual people of the right type. The rest are tax fodder. To my mind labour are currently shite because they have forgotten their roots and what they are supposed to stand for.
(porkylips looks better as the sun goes down., Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:10, 1 reply, 16 years ago)

Wow
You genuinely don't think the last few years have happened do you? Labour are shit, they've fucked the entire country up. What they've done is worse than Thatcher in most respects. Even setting the economy aside (which is not solely the bankers fault) let's look at their trackrecord in education, health, and most of all foreign policy. Iraq anyone?
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:13, Reply)

Well I'm looking.
Education - what I see locally are six school all with new buildings and fully staffed. And only one of them lost their playing fields in the last Tory rule luckily.
NHS - two massive shiny new hospitals for me to choose from.
Iraq - oh, wait, that was American foreign policy. Which we were tied into to pay back Maggie's Falklands fun. America has a rather rightist capitalist government if I recall.
( Larry Vest One day at a time, sweet Jesus, FFS., Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:22, Reply)

NHS spending has risen by 100% since 1997

Do you think that there has been a 100% increase in quality? this is a classic example of throwing money at a problem. Money borrowed by Labour that we will be paying back for the rest of our lives.

Labour have been shit even when they have borrowed more money than most people can egven imagine. What would have happened had they lived within their means? It doesn't bear thinking about.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:27, Reply)

Here you go
This is what *I* see
Education - Massive amounts of money wasted on shiny new schools, falling standards of literacy, abdication of teacher power
NHS - Don't even bother telling me a shiny new hospital is worth it. I've spent six months in a hell-hole being absused and mistreated by overworked nurses. Or how about the millions spent on a non-working IT system, or the increase in administration, or the new PFIs?
Iraq - Oh wait Tony Blair couldn't lick George Bush's arse enough. He was Labour. Yeeeeah that was payback for the Falklands. No it was a weak man playing a bad hand badly
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:30, Reply)

I worked in two of those school - still work in one. They are both very succesfull.
That's what I see.
I had to use one of the new hospitals. Very efficient, and while there was a lot of 'management' about, and I did feel a bit like product, the job was done.
That's what I saw.
Iraq - we shouldn't be there. Blair got out as soon as he realised he was not going to come up smelling of roses. But I'm glad you agree it was American policy. Brown would never have got us in.
( Larry Vest One day at a time, sweet Jesus, FFS., Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:40, Reply)

I've had a very wide education
I've been to every type of school, and both my parents are teachers, and I can safely say that standards have dropped massively. Being a teacher is like being a social worker at the moment.
As for the hospitals on the surface they look good (sometimes) but I'm not merely basing my judgement on my own bad experience, but on other people I know who come out with what are pretty much horror stories. As NakedApe pointed out, it's simply not improved to the extent it should have with it's budget.
Iraq is just a fuck-up plain and simple, but it's Labour's fault for getting in there in the first place.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:45, Reply)

Foreigner
Hi. Sorry to but in - especially as I'm a foreigner and thus don't have a vote in the UK.

From my (limited) knowledge of the Falklands War, why would Iraq be pay-back for the Americans when it was Britain -v- Argentina, without American involvement?
(JohntheDane, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:42, Reply)

Curious Incident sort of thing.

( Larry Vest One day at a time, sweet Jesus, FFS., Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:45, Reply)